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Old October 11 2013, 11:19 AM   #16
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^ I feel you hombre.

For shits and giggles though maybe we should shunt TATV in to it's own AU. An AU where the 'Pegasus' retrivial incident was uncovered later in Riker's career than shown in the episode "Pegasus". Partially to explain the discrepancies btwn TNG Pegasus and ENT TATV, but mostly to explain the weight gain, wrinkles and gray hair on Riker and Troi. An AU which also shows Riker is still serving on the ENT-D with presumably a grandpa Picard as captain. Lol
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Old October 11 2013, 11:36 AM   #17
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TATV was unbelievably awful. I need to watch it and "The Pegasus" back to back to see how they line up (or don't)

I wonder if there's a fan edit merging the two, alternating scenes?
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Old October 11 2013, 06:45 PM   #18
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I love Regeneration because it's spooky, it does a great homage to The Thing, and it marks the first time Archer just straight up murders people in order to protect his ship and crew -- a great foreshadowing of his actions in the Expanse. I think it's also clear that the Borg got the Bigfoot treatment between FC and ENT, and that between ENT and TNG, Starfleet gave it a big "well, whatever that was, it's gone now" shrug until they reappeared.
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Old October 11 2013, 07:07 PM   #19
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. . .it marks the first time Archer just straight up murders people in order to protect his ship and crew. . .
It's one of my favorite sequences, and I mentioned it in my review thread entry (still need to wrap up Season 2). You can tell what Archer is thinking when he starts asking about exterior access hatches in the Jefferies tubes and orders Reed's team out of there. The cutting between the corridors and the bridge, the mounting tension, the music, and Scott Bakula plays it just right with a decision he doesn't want to make. Then he gives the order.

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Old October 11 2013, 07:15 PM   #20
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and it marks the first time Archer just straight up murders people in order to protect his ship and crew -- a great foreshadowing of his actions in the Expanse.
I've been known to be harsh on some of Archer's more boneheaded choices, but even I'd say murder is a stretch. The guy's defending his ship against a force with lethal intent. Sure they were some of his own people, but that's what makes the Borg an insidious force.. they do turn your allies against you.

Some of his choices in the Expanse... justified or not... were more morally ambiguous.
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Old October 12 2013, 01:21 AM   #21
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Were the writers wrong for having The Borg on an episode of Enterprise? I know they wanted to take advantage of The Borg's popularity as Star Trek villans to lure some viewers, but it didn't really fit. It was established in TNG that The Borg and Federation worlds hadn't come into contact. Wouldn't the records of Enterprise have been available to identify that they had been on a Federation vessel years earlier? Wouldn't Data have said, "An earlier ship called Enterprise captained by Jonathon Archer encountered a species that resembles The Borg on "such and such" stardate. They learned..."
Section 31 put the information under wraps.
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Old October 12 2013, 01:58 AM   #22
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I don't really my the continuity problems from 'Regeneration'. Mostly because I consider the ENT timeline to be an AU created from the effects of FC. Time travel was used to rewrite established history. Similar to what we see in ST09 with Nero and Spock.
That's a good way of putting it.
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Old October 14 2013, 03:23 AM   #23
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I love "Regeneration". It's a lot of fun to watch. Those who can't enjoy it because it messes with their notions of continuity are watching Trek wrong.
I agree with that completely. I still didn't like the episode.
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Old October 14 2013, 04:41 PM   #24
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I like the connection of the of how the movie of First contact and the borg were shown in Regeneration and Archer had great rolein tvshow, and how Phlox struggling with being affected by the borg nano probes and finding a cure to stop hisg transformation was dealt with was well acted in tis show. I Malcolm taking down a borg drone and helping Archer stop the borg.
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Old October 15 2013, 07:55 PM   #25
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Didn't we discuss this in another thread recently? http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=212872 Lol
That thread is three months old. Ancient history.

Besides, we get a new TATV (or Dear Doctor, or ANiS) thread every few weeks, so y'all are showing admirable restraint here
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Old October 16 2013, 04:02 AM   #26
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My main complaint about Regeneration is... they had a Borg episode just for the sake of having a Borg episode and shoehorned it through in as unbelievable a fashion as possible. Beyond it having Borg the episode contributed nothing to the rest of the series.
But you can make that objection to many episodes.

Shuttlepod One was a "stuck together in a bad situation" episode that was made just for the sake of having a "stuck together in a bad situation" and it contributed nothing to the rest of the series. After all, did Trip and Malcom become buddies afterwards?

But this isn't the only time Archer and company are seemingly horrible at recordkeeping. They way the stumbled though the first two seasons it's a wonder they didn't fly into a star while Archer's shouting this isn't on our star charts.
That argument never really seemed logical to me. It's perfectly plausible that the whole thing was classified top secret and hidden away. Why would a mere captain be aware of it a few centuries later? Are US Navy captains aware of classified information from the 1800s? Do you expect a Navy captain 200 years from now is going to know all about the top secret missions that are being carried out today? Of course not.

And as for the other oft-mentioned criticism that the Borg don't say, "We are the Borg" in Regeneration, they didn't say it in Q Who either.
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Old October 16 2013, 06:11 AM   #27
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I thought Regeneration was actually one of the better Enterprise episodes. I thought it was cleverly done, and after Voyager over exposed us to the Borg and reduced their stature as a threat, it was great to see the Borg back to being a menacing space-zombie threat, on par with FC.
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Old October 17 2013, 12:07 PM   #28
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I guess it was inevitable Enterprise would do a Borg Episode. It was pretty enjoyable and didn't do anything totally unforgivable to continuity.
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Old October 19 2013, 09:39 AM   #29
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I thought Regeneration was handled better than any voyager Borg episode.
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Old October 21 2013, 12:32 AM   #30
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Say what one likes about Regeneration, it's a one-off... as in, it didn't do any lasting damage to the series, unlike, say, "Broken Bow", which introduced Reed, Mayweather, and Sato to the cast.

Myself, I think it's tons of fun.
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