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Old October 17 2013, 11:00 PM   #121
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Re: Bob Orci: Spoke with CBS about returning Trek To TV

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I am showing skepticism that he has any sort of basis for his opinion.
Oh, that was skepticism. Hm. Well, it seems as if it ought to be possible to adequately convey skepticism without employing a hostile tone or a straw man.
For somebody who has been trolling me in the Neutral Zone forum here, you have quite a problem with hostility yourself. As for "straw man", remember your snide comments on my voting preferences? You never did say what the hell they have to do with my opinions about Star Trek.

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If he can show me that Takei had previous experience as the lead actor on a TV series...
Tricky, that. I'm not aware of any such role, myself.
Exactly. He never had such a role; therefore, there is no way to judge in advance whether or not he would be good at a lead role in a Star Trek series. Some actors manage to step up and surprise people. I think Takei would have done a fine job.

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If not, where does he get any kind of evidence to base his opinion on?
Where, indeed?
Your point being...?

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I think I'd be very happy with John Cho heading up a series. As much as I liked George Takei, I don't think he had the chops to be a series lead.
And that's because he tried and failed...?

Oh, right. He was never given the chance to even try, therefore you conclude he couldn't have done it.

Whatever.
I stated my opinion based on the things I've seen George Takei in. It's not a slam on the actor, not everyone is lead actor material.
Fair enough, if you're basing your opinion on what you've seen. Too many people simply dismiss him out of hand without having made the effort to look at his other roles.

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I think Takei would have made a good lead, but that time has passed.
I think "Flashback" sunk any chance of there ever being a Captain Sulu series with Takei in the lead.
Takei was excellent in that episode. On the other hand, it was Grace Lee Whitney who did the crappy job that brought the episode down. Dunno what she was going for, but it came out as a bitchy shrew.
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Old October 17 2013, 11:05 PM   #122
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Re: Bob Orci: Spoke with CBS about returning Trek To TV

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Takei was excellent in that episode.
It has been a long-time since I saw the episode, but I don't remember being particularly impressed by Takei in it. I'll have to go back and revisit it when time permits.
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Old October 17 2013, 11:16 PM   #123
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I think Takei would have made a good lead, but that time has passed.
I think "Flashback" sunk any chance of there ever being a Captain Sulu series with Takei in the lead.
I recall reading that the novel The Captain's Daughter had a fair bit to do with that as well.

At a time when there was a bit of a push for a Captain Sulu series, a good (IMO) novel by Trek's most popular author focusing on Captain Sulu did not sell well at all. That was used to rebut the suggestion that there was a big audience for a show centred around Sulu.
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Old October 17 2013, 11:20 PM   #124
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The mass market, the market were the money that makes or breaks a show or movie is at, don't want to watch the B-team. Nothing against Takei. I've met him, he's got a great personality, was a blast to talk to. I think he's a good actor. But am I interested in a Captain Sulu / Excelsior series? Nope. That's the same reason that I have no interest in a Captain Worf series.
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Old October 17 2013, 11:22 PM   #125
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I am showing skepticism that he has any sort of basis for his opinion.
Oh, that was skepticism. Hm. Well, it seems as if it ought to be possible to adequately convey skepticism without employing a hostile tone or a straw man.
For somebody who has been trolling me in the Neutral Zone forum here, you have quite a problem with hostility yourself. As for "straw man", remember your snide comments on my voting preferences? You never did say what the hell they have to do with my opinions about Star Trek.
Uh-uh. That's TNZ; you don't get to restart that discussion here. Don't even try.

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If he can show me that Takei had previous experience as the lead actor on a TV series...
Tricky, that. I'm not aware of any such role, myself.
Exactly. He never had such a role; therefore, there is no way to judge in advance whether or not he would be good at a lead role in a Star Trek series.
Using that logic, no actor who's not previously carried a series lead role would ever be considered for lead role in a TV series.

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Some actors manage to step up and surprise people. I think Takei would have done a fine job.
Of course they do; that's one of the things which keeps showbiz interesting. And there's no more wrong with thinking that he would have done a fine job, based upon no lead-role evidence either for or against, than there is in thinking he wasn't lead material; both opinions are equally qualified.

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If not, where does he get any kind of evidence to base his opinion on?
Where, indeed?
Your point being...?
That he (or anyone else) would have to examine the recorded body of work which Takei has done, and extrapolate an opinion therefrom. What else is there?
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Old October 18 2013, 12:00 AM   #126
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I hope they won't recast the crew yet again. I'd be happy about a show with a different crew on a different ship, maybe with occasional guest appearences from the Enterprise crew. Or something entirely different, like a show set on Earth. Maybe dealing with politics and diplomatic stuff. That would also make the show a little more affordable in regards of special effects.
If they're aiming to cash in on the movie, it'd have to be set on the Enterprise or her immediate successor--perhaps a tie in with the final movie with this cast?. If it has to be this Enterprise, these characters, Animation is their best bet; I don't think recasting would work for people who are fans of the films.
I cannot see the current movie cast obligating themselves to a weekly tv series and not be available to other big name movies. If they recast I hope it is the time period right after TNG.
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Old October 18 2013, 12:39 AM   #127
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He never had such a role; therefore, there is no way to judge in advance whether or not he would be good at a lead role in a Star Trek series. Some actors manage to step up and surprise people. I think Takei would have done a fine job.
Congratulations. You managed to make it an entire sentence before debunking your own argument.
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Old October 18 2013, 04:13 AM   #128
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Re: Bob Orci: Spoke with CBS about returning Trek To TV

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Takei was excellent in that episode.
It has been a long-time since I saw the episode, but I don't remember being particularly impressed by Takei in it. I'll have to go back and revisit it when time permits.
Compared to Takei's scenes in TUC, the "Flashback" reenactments were pretty dull.

The most outspoken proponent for a Captain Sulu series was George Takei. I don't think all that many other people were clamoring for a such a series.
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Old October 18 2013, 04:26 AM   #129
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Oh, that was skepticism. Hm. Well, it seems as if it ought to be possible to adequately convey skepticism without employing a hostile tone or a straw man.
For somebody who has been trolling me in the Neutral Zone forum here, you have quite a problem with hostility yourself. As for "straw man", remember your snide comments on my voting preferences? You never did say what the hell they have to do with my opinions about Star Trek.
Uh-uh. That's TNZ; you don't get to restart that discussion here. Don't even try.
Merely reminding you that you have no cause to call me hostile when you've displayed that kind of attitude yourself. I don't care where it happened, it was still hostile.

May I suggest you take your own advice and leave your attitude there?

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Where, indeed?
Your point being...?
That he (or anyone else) would have to examine the recorded body of work which Takei has done, and extrapolate an opinion therefrom. What else is there?
I just wondered why you were essentially repeating yourself, since you'd already addressed that point.
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Old October 18 2013, 04:49 AM   #130
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Takei was excellent in that episode.
It has been a long-time since I saw the episode, but I don't remember being particularly impressed by Takei in it. I'll have to go back and revisit it when time permits.
Compared to Takei's scenes in TUC, the "Flashback" reenactments were pretty dull.

The most outspoken proponent for a Captain Sulu series was George Takei. I don't think all that many other people were clamoring for a such a series.
I'm not really a fan of the Excelsior stuff in TUC. One of the big strikes, for me, against is the fact that Sulu is in command of Excelsior. Takei did wonderful with the stuff, but I just don't think they used the concept to its full potential.
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Old October 18 2013, 05:16 AM   #131
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It depends on what the show is... if they don't get the cast for it, then they need to focus elsewhere in the universe. Why not make a series based wholly on another race like a Romulan or Klingon centric show?

But, if they can get the cast.. why not do a run with them? And it isn't that farfetched... TV has become such a huge platform for actors over the last decade that many of them might be more than willing to do it. The only real problem I see... Karl Urban already being in a show it seems (I assume he is a regular for the Almost Human show).
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Old October 18 2013, 05:30 AM   #132
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For somebody who has been trolling me in the Neutral Zone forum here, you have quite a problem with hostility yourself. As for "straw man", remember your snide comments on my voting preferences? You never did say what the hell they have to do with my opinions about Star Trek.
Uh-uh. That's TNZ; you don't get to restart that discussion here. Don't even try.
Merely reminding you that you have no cause to call me hostile when you've displayed that kind of attitude yourself. I don't care where it happened, it was still hostile.

May I suggest you take your own advice and leave your attitude there?
I wasn't kidding. You should have dropped the matter altogether, right then and there. Instead, you kept on with it, and you now have a warning for your trouble. Comments to PM, please.
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Old October 18 2013, 05:44 AM   #133
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But, if they can get the cast.. why not do a run with them? And it isn't that farfetched... TV has become such a huge platform for actors over the last decade that many of them might be more than willing to do it. The only real problem I see... Karl Urban already being in a show it seems (I assume he is a regular for the Almost Human show).
Even if they could somehow convince the entire cast to sign a multi-year contract for a TV series, it would kill the film franchise. Few people will pay money to see the Enterprise cast on the big screen when we get them 22 times a year at home.
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Old October 18 2013, 06:10 AM   #134
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I am not sure why everyone assumes a Trek show on HBO means sex & nudity. It all depends on who is given creative control. They don't try to censor stuff, that why they get a lot of talented writers/producers, but I doubt if they demand sex, nudity or violence to be in every show. I could be wrong but I don't remember any nudity in "Curb your enthusiasm" (though plenty of hilarious f-bombs). btw, I never cared for fantasy stuff but Game of Thrones is awesome (with or without sex scenes). We will be lucky if we get a Trek show as good as that.

What I consider the advantages of a cable series are these (doesn't have to HBO, could be AMC or some other channel):

- Shorter seasons & fewer episodes produced (10-12 instead of 22+ on broadcast network) so scripts can be of higher quality.
- Less schedule pressure. Seasons don't have to start every year on September/October. If producers need more time they get it.
- Episodes don't have to be a specific length (e.g. 48 minutes). I have heard many stories about good scenes that had to be cut from some Trek episodes so they can achieve the desired episode length.
- More creative control for the writers, less interference from network executives. Of course this makes it even more important to put the right dude in charge of the show.
Most cable networks still have schedule requirements. Mad Men is one of the few that has slipped and that's because of cost fights. Most other cable shows still have to hit their release schedule, it just might be Jan or Jun instead of Sept.

Only premium channels allow the length to vary. All the AMC, USA, TNT, FX shows are an hour and have to fit in the slot.

Cable networks can interfere just as much of they want. There is nothing fundamental about cable that says the producers must get less interference.
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Old October 20 2013, 03:28 PM   #135
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I cannot see the current movie cast obligating themselves to a weekly tv series and not be available to other big name movies. If they recast I hope it is the time period right after TNG.
I don't know why people keep saying this, when virtually the whole NuTrek cast is currently in, or bucking for, regular television work:

Pine has an ongoing series development deal with CBS;
Quinto has a regular role on "American Horror Story";
Urban has one of the two leads in "Almost Human";
Cho has a (supposedly) recurring role in "Sleepy Hollow";
Pegg recently shot a pilot for a regular role for a series called "Mob City".
Yelchin starred in "Odd Thomas" earlier this year, which many reviews maintained was intended to serve not only as a feature film, but a pilot for a series in which Yelchin would also star.

Just about the only member of the cast who isn't already involved in a television series, or actively campaigning for one, is Zoe Saldana.
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