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Old October 20 2013, 05:54 AM   #331
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

I was putting together a list of the various thematic narrative arcs or 'arc threads' that Voyager dealt with over the course of its 7 seasons, and identified 20 episodes (5 in Season 1; 8 in Season 2; 2 in Season 3; 1 in Season 4; 1 in Season 5; 2 in Season 6; and 1 in Season 7) that dealt, either directly or indirectly, with Maquis-related themes.

For reference's sake, I'm listing those episodes below:
Season 1
Caretaker
Parallax
Prime Factors
State of Flux
Learning Curve

Season 2
Maneuvers
Alliances
Threshold
Meld
Dreadnought
Lifesigns
Investigations
Basics, Part 1

Season 3
Basics, Part 2
Worst Case Scenario

Season 4
Hunters

Season 5
Extreme Risk

Season 6
The Voyager Conspiracy
Life Line

Season 7
Repression

20 episodes out of 168 might not seem like a lot on the surface, but it surpasses the number of episodes from both TNG and DS9 combined that dealt either directly or indirectly with the same subject.

BTW, the Maquis thematic narrative also has, I believe, the second-most amount of episodes dedicated to it of any of the thematic narrative arcs with which Voyager dealt, surpassed only by the thematic narrative arc/arc thread of Borg-related episodes (of which there were 22)
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Old October 20 2013, 06:47 AM   #332
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

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What do you think that tricobolt device was for?
It was a plot device, just like how the TOS Enterprise always had the right equipment to do whatever they needed for resolutions (just happening to have an antimatter bomb in "Obsession" and stuff).

becuase she barely had room for the 20 prisoners she took.
They had bad intelligence over how many Maquis there were, and most likely would've just kept the Maquis ship intact to house some of them for the trip back.
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Old October 20 2013, 06:50 AM   #333
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Digfic, by your rules, every episode with a Maquis in it, is part of the Maquis arc.

So that's a 168 episode long arc where they only mention 20 times that the arc is happening.

That's some serious stealth.
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Old October 20 2013, 07:24 AM   #334
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That's terrorists for you.
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Old October 20 2013, 07:46 AM   #335
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For me? Why, thank you very much.
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Old October 20 2013, 08:02 AM   #336
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Maybe they can make you some sammiches.
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Old October 20 2013, 08:06 AM   #337
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Old October 20 2013, 08:12 AM   #338
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When God gives me my RV full of terrorists and people I have hunted like bargains (all of whom will be my slaves) there will be only impossibly complicated sandwiches, to keep the slaves' minds occupied. Challenged, even.
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Old October 20 2013, 08:56 AM   #339
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Slavery is legal in Australia again?

Cool.
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Old October 20 2013, 09:20 AM   #341
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20 episodes out of 168 might not seem like a lot on the surface, but it surpasses the number of episodes from both TNG and DS9 combined that dealt either directly or indirectly with the same subject.
What about the Dominion War? Heck, the six-part occupation story from season six and the nine-part final chapter from season seven give you 15 episodes alone.
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Old October 20 2013, 09:23 AM   #342
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I don't think most of VOY's Maquis eps constitute an arc, more like the occasional namedrop into the storyline.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:38 AM   #343
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HUnters = B'Elanna finds out that all her friends are dead.

Extreme Risk = B'Elanna stops trying to commit suicide by holodeck every night after every adventure between Hunters and this.

#415 Hunters (The big news)
#416 Prey
#417 Retrospects
#418 The Killing Game (A month having sex with a holographic Nazi.)
#419 Vis a Vis (Holier than though about how she's saner than depressed Tom Paris.)
#420 The Omega Directive
#421 Unforgettable (Brain wiped by Virginia Madison.)
#422 Living Witness
#423 Demon (Copied and massreplicated by aliens. many of these copies may never have gotten help and killed themselves.)
#424 One
#425 Hope and Fear
#501 Night (Janeway, utterly insane, rocking in her quarters, humming to her self for 3 months. What a prime example of mental health for B'Elanna to follow.)
#502 Drone
#503 Extreme Risk (Gets help for her deathwish)
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Old October 20 2013, 02:54 PM   #344
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20 episodes out of 168 might not seem like a lot on the surface, but it surpasses the number of episodes from both TNG and DS9 combined that dealt either directly or indirectly with the same subject.
What about the Dominion War? Heck, the six-part occupation story from season six and the nine-part final chapter from season seven give you 15 episodes alone.
What does the Dominion War have to do with the Maquis? That's the subject I was talking about.

TNG did 9 episodes that dealt, either directly or indirectly, with the concept of the Maquis, and DS9 did 10, for a total of 19 Maquis-related episodes total spread across two different series, as compared to the 20 episodes from Voyager that dealt either directly or indirectly with the concept.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that, contrary to perception, Voyager didn't actually veer away from the Maquis angle; it just utilized things differently than was originally intended.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:50 PM   #345
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The bottom line is not whether VOY possessed continuity throughout it's run-because clearly it did, but whether one feels what they did, was enough for the viewer. The answer is, as evidenced in this thread, entirely subjective. Were you happy with the amount of carryover that a major story presented as the show progressed? For some, the answer is yes. For some, not nearly enough. A linear goal of getting home, stranded without backup, two groups divided by ideology thrust together...could have provided a multitude of serialized or continuing, intricate character arcs. But tptb (producers, studio, network) were not interested in that kind of show.

So we get a stubbornly rigid episodic show, that occasionally allows elements to resurface over the course of it's run. Was it a good show overall? Can someone disappointed that more wasn't done, judge what they did do objectively?
The eternal debate continues, 12 years after the end of the series. Now that's continuity!
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