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Old October 18 2013, 03:32 PM   #196
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

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Welll. The picture is already in the link that I have on another post here. And...the picture was from a link in Wikipedia...which is pretty much open for anybody to see it. Although it's an adult movie....the picture has no private or sex-parts shown. I wouldn't have posted a picture from a pornographic site. However this was from Wikipedia and assumed it would be okay. Besides, I've seen worse on regular tv.
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Old October 18 2013, 06:13 PM   #197
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Although it's an adult movie....the picture has no private or sex-parts shown. I wouldn't have posted a picture from a pornographic site.
At the least, images "like that" should be put between spoiler brackets, along with a warning that it's NSFW (not safe for workplace).

Some people here do view this site from work, and a image like that suddenly on their computer screen can cause them to face counciling or a written reprimand.

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Old October 18 2013, 10:16 PM   #198
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"Gay" includes bi-sexual, how is a gay man having sex with a woman unusual in the least?
No one I know who is bisexual identifies as "gay"
I'm bisexual and transsexual and identify myself as gay regularly.

Bisexuals are in fact gay, it isn't a exclusive term for just part of the gay community.

We can agree to disagree. Gay usually includes males who are attractive to..and only have sex with other males. Bisexual are people who happen to be comfortable with both sexes. Some are more comfortable with females....others with males. But there are some gay men who couldn't stomach the thought of being with a woman. AND there are plenty of lesbians who are repulsed by being with men and refuse to do so. They are called Gold-Star-Lesbians.
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Old October 19 2013, 02:14 AM   #199
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

^ "Gold-Star"...
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Old October 19 2013, 02:49 AM   #200
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^ Those are all just sexual orientations Spacelover65.







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Old October 19 2013, 04:17 AM   #201
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No one I know who is bisexual identifies as "gay"
I'm bisexual and transsexual and identify myself as gay regularly.

Bisexuals are in fact gay, it isn't a exclusive term for just part of the gay community.

We can agree to disagree. Gay usually includes males who are attractive to..and only have sex with other males. Bisexual are people who happen to be comfortable with both sexes. Some are more comfortable with females....others with males. But there are some gay men who couldn't stomach the thought of being with a woman. AND there are plenty of lesbians who are repulsed by being with men and refuse to do so. They are called Gold-Star-Lesbians.
I mentioned the Kinsey scale before...which ranges from 0 to 6. Only the extremes are "exclusive", and 1-5 involve some degree of attraction to both sexes.
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Old October 19 2013, 08:24 AM   #202
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I assume the Deltan scale would simply be ∞.

Sex is sex no matter who its with. I suspect they, as a culture, would find such discussions on orientation to be either amusing or absurd.

As stated before, I dislike the pheromone theory. In TMP why wasn't her line "I have taken my weekly pheromone inhibitor, Captain"? She would have had no control over them and would need medical intervention to stop everyone from sniffing around her all day. Sulu was a bit enamoured with her, but he may not have met any female Deltans before and simply heard lots of stories and wild rumours about them. Chekov seemed perfectly fine, as did the horn-dog that is James T. Kirk (and lets face it, his libido doesn't exactly need much encouragement).

Instead she needed to take the Oath, so as to protect sexually immature species. I'd take that to mean that sex for Deltans is still a free choice and, that by taking the Oath, they are swearing not to interfere (as it were) with people from other races.

That is how I always took Deltans to be.
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Old October 19 2013, 08:38 AM   #203
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Yeah, my answer would be "null," because it doesn't matter. Some might say that makes me bisexual, others say pansexual (which is what I use as a label when someone wants an actual answer where "It doesn't matter" won't cut it), but I really don't care someone's gender or sex if I'm attracted to them.

I'd be so at home with Deltans.
Also, really busy.

At home, and really busy.
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Old October 19 2013, 11:00 AM   #204
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As stated before, I dislike the pheromone theory.
I dislike it too, because it is is stupid.

Can we, in a lab, create human pheremones that attract the opposite sex? I know there was sprays you could buy at one point that were designed to do this. But can we create SUPER SUPER pheremones that if a reasonably nice looking person sprayed themselves with and walked through a crowd of the opposite gender the straight people in the crowd would have a notable reaction to the sprayed person?

Because it's not just "oh wow, look at that Borg Babe.." ala 7 that is implied here. In order for a suppressant to be necessary the pheremones would have to effect everyone as badly as a teenage boy with a naked woman on his lap would be effected. Effected badly enough you would have trouble concentrating and doing your job.

So is this possible with actual pheremones?
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Old October 19 2013, 05:01 PM   #205
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I assume the Deltan scale would simply be ∞.

Sex is sex no matter who its with. I suspect they, as a culture, would find such discussions on orientation to be either amusing or absurd.
Eh, I don't know about that. Deltans might have sex all the time but it could be that they still have preferences. Any sentient species would, I think.

Sci-fi likes to trot out the "in the future, everyone will like everyone and everything" trope (such as: Jack Harkness). But I don't see how that's true for everybody. There will be quite a lot of variation within any species. No matter how 'developed' or 'evolved' a species claims to be, there will always be those in it who won't do certain things, or aren't attracted to certain groups, etc.

I mean, even Kinsey allowed for the existence of "zeroes" and "sixes".
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Old October 19 2013, 05:09 PM   #206
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^It's possible that in the future, homo sapiens will be the species identified with unenlightened promiscuity.
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Old October 19 2013, 10:42 PM   #207
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Unenlightened promiscuity?

And Jack Harkness is put off people with awful personalities just like everyone else is. He may have a very wide attraction level physically but it's not limitless. I do think the older one gets the broader one's attractions, though maybe that only happens for some.
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Old October 19 2013, 11:47 PM   #208
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"Gay" includes bi-sexual, how is a gay man having sex with a woman unusual in the least?
No one I know who is bisexual identifies as "gay"
I'm bisexual and transsexual and identify myself as gay regularly.
Bisexuals are in fact gay, it isn't a exclusive term for just part of the gay community.
You've left some really great messages on this thread. And you have the absolute right to believe what you believe. I just happen to not agree with that statement. MANY bi men consider themselves 100% straight. Every human has some type of attraction for both sexes. Some are 70-80-90% which tips them over into being straight - others are aroun 50% which makes them bi. BUT there ARE men who are so gay they are not in the least interested in women. And there are lesbians who are so gay that they don't even enjoy the feel of a man. It's easy to lump everyone in one category...but that's also an unwise thing to do. But most bisexual men who have only a small interest in men consider themselves straight. And I've heard of times when straight women make out together just to turn men on. They do it for a show....or they think it's some power over men. Sometimes these women claim to be bisexual...but are really not. Like I said, human sexuality is very complicated....and you can't judge others on how you feel about yourself...or the subject.
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Old October 20 2013, 12:53 AM   #209
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No one I know who is bisexual identifies as "gay"
I'm bisexual and transsexual and identify myself as gay regularly.
Bisexuals are in fact gay, it isn't a exclusive term for just part of the gay community.
You've left some really great messages on this thread. And you have the absolute right to believe what you believe. I just happen to not agree with that statement. MANY bi men consider themselves 100% straight. Every human has some type of attraction for both sexes. Some are 70-80-90% which tips them over into being straight - others are aroun 50% which makes them bi. BUT there ARE men who are so gay they are not in the least interested in women. And there are lesbians who are so gay that they don't even enjoy the feel of a man. It's easy to lump everyone in one category...but that's also an unwise thing to do. But most bisexual men who have only a small interest in men consider themselves straight. And I've heard of times when straight women make out together just to turn men on. They do it for a show....or they think it's some power over men. Sometimes these women claim to be bisexual...but are really not. Like I said, human sexuality is very complicated....and you can't judge others on how you feel about yourself...or the subject.
Eh... out of 7+ billion people, I'd imagine there are people out there who are 100% one way or the other.
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Old October 20 2013, 03:30 AM   #210
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I don't think the pheromones are all that stupid. Humans have them...but we're not always aware that they're working on us. Human men secrete a musky smell (I don't mean stink) that is meant to attract women. This smell also repels other men. Humans wear so much deodorizers that the smell isn't as strong as it used to. Pheromones can be seen at work constantly in nature all around us. Many types of female animals secrete a pheromone when they're in estrus which drives the males crazy. Male elephants go through their own type of estrus, where they're uncontrollable because their need to procreate is so great...I think it's called Musth. But pheromones aren't stupid. They exist and they're a reality.
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