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Old October 15 2013, 04:00 AM   #1
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REMUS AND ROMULUS

can someone please tell me how close the two are to each other? for instance, do one another look the size of the moon as we stand on earth today, or does it appear larger in the Romulus/Remus sky? cant find much information about this anywhere. curiosity kills the cat. thanks guys.
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Old October 15 2013, 04:58 AM   #2
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This shows it pretty good, though the opening montage of Nemesis shows basically the same... they're close, but not close enough to influence one another's gravity as they both have their own separate orbits.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:05 AM   #3
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This shows it pretty good, though the opening montage of Nemesis shows basically the same... they're close, but not close enough to influence one another's gravity as they both have their own separate orbits.
never watched nemesis as I heard from most it was really bad. but thank you sir for the help I appreciate it.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:11 AM   #4
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It's not the best of the Trek movies by any stretch... I'd say it rates with a subpar episode of TNG. It's watchable anyways, and if you're curious about the Remans well that's a good source for you.
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Old October 15 2013, 10:46 AM   #5
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Here's a pic from the surface of Romulus in "The Defector"
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Old October 15 2013, 11:19 PM   #6
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thanks pal. I can see its certainly closer than our moon. very close in nemesis.
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Old October 16 2013, 08:20 PM   #7
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In the TOS pocketbook, "The Romulan Way", Romulus and Remus are described as being like Earth and the Moon, where Remus orbits Romulus and Romulus orbits the sun. But this book doesn't mention the Remans, or a lot of other information added after TOS, understandably, so it's information might have been completely overthrown.
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Old October 16 2013, 09:01 PM   #8
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Nemesis states that Remus orbits the sun, but doesn't spin so one side is always day and the other night.
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Old October 19 2013, 07:37 PM   #9
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I'm not especially fond of the Remans being a Vulcan offshoot, myself ...
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Old October 19 2013, 09:23 PM   #10
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I'm not especially fond of the Remans being a Vulcan offshoot, myself ...
More of an Romulan off shoot, I would think.
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Old October 19 2013, 11:31 PM   #11
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I'm not especially fond of the Remans being a Vulcan offshoot, myself ...
There's nothing firmly establishing that they are. I prefer to think that they're another species entirely. Maybe natives to Romulus and/or Remus, and were conquered by the original Romulans.
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Old October 20 2013, 12:04 PM   #12
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My theory is the Remans where native to Remus. When the more advanced Romulans arrived in their ships and began to colonise nearby Romulus the Remans were either conquered or became allies.

Given how Nemesis showed the Remans conducting mining operations and the Romulans doing the flying round the galaxy in ships and running the government i tend toward the belief that the Remans previous encounters with interstellar races hadnt gone well so they were suspicious when the Romulans first showed up. The Romulans needed minerals/ore from Remus for building space ships and stuff as it wasnt in high enough quantity on Romulus but they had didfficulty with the harsh Reman atmosphere.

So the two races struck a truce where teh Remans would mine the ore for the Romulans and the Romulans would defend against otehr interstellar races. This worked well when the Romulan star empire was in expansionist phases as the Remans woudl be held in high regard for providing necessary resources but not so well for when in isolationist phases when those resources werent needed and Remans would be looked down upon.

Thats just my theory based entirely upon what we see of teh Remans in Nemesis. I havent read any of the novels and dont consider them canon anyhow.
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Old October 20 2013, 12:10 PM   #13
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I also have teh theory that the Romulan forehead bumps and skintone in the later series is due to interbreeding with Remans over the years. After all teh two races have been living side by side for couple centuries or more and plenty of other star trek races have interbred without knowing each other for even half as long.

Plus the Remans appear to possess certain physical traits the Romulans would admire like a higher strength and endurance and also psychic abilities that the Romulans no longer possess so there might have been a little eugenics project going on there that got abandoned quickly but left enough Reman dna in the Romulan population that the physical effects like forehead bumps and skintone became the norm.

Obviously i have had too much time to think about this :P
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Old October 20 2013, 01:00 PM   #14
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Some very interesting thoughts on the Remans ... I like the idea of them simply being a conquered race.
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Old October 20 2013, 06:18 PM   #15
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Some very interesting thoughts on the Remans ... I like the idea of them simply being a conquered race.
Agreed, would explain why the Romulans treat them as a mix of slaves and cannon fodder, and that it was such a surprise to the Federation that a Reman could become Praetor.

The graphic in Nemesis sowing the Romulan system unfortunately does not make much sense. In general, the closer an orbiting body is to its parent, the more likely it is to be tidally locked, for example our own moon. It would appear that Remus is further from its sun than Romulus, so Romulus should be the one tidally locked.

Given that Remus looks totally barren (unless this is to do with excessive atmospheric pollution after being used for heavy industry) and that both Romulans, Remans and Shinzon were able to breathe the atmosphere in the mines, it would make sense that the Remans evolved on a standard CLass M planet and were exiled there by the Romulans, probably from Romulus itself. It looks unlikey that advanced life would evolve on Remus.
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