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Old October 17 2013, 09:18 PM   #31
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Re: TV version of Wrath of Khan available?

Yes, it is. Most of it is, save for a COUPLE of alternate takes.
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Old October 17 2013, 09:30 PM   #32
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Yes, it is. Most of it is, save for a COUPLE of alternate takes.
Yep, most of the ABC-TV version extras are in the Director's Edition. The most curious alternate take not used in the DE is the Saavik/Kirk elevator scene. A series of closeups of Saavik and Kirk, with the actors adding some glances and reactions that appear to indicate they are attracted to each other.
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Old October 17 2013, 09:38 PM   #33
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The most curious alternate take not used in the DE is the Saavik/Kirk elevator scene. A series of closeups of Saavik and Kirk, with the actors adding some glances and reactions that appear to indicate they are attracted to each other.
I believe it's because that take was very specifically framed for a 4:3 aspect ratio, and would look weird as heck in a widescreen presentation.
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Old October 18 2013, 02:38 PM   #34
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I believe it's because that take was very specifically framed for a 4:3 aspect ratio, and would look weird as heck in a widescreen presentation.
Exactly!
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Old September 12 2014, 09:59 PM   #35
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The additional line of computer dialog in the Kobayashi Maru scene is on YouTube. Check it out here:

http://youtu.be/HYN_Pk1qi-w

This, the alternate elevator scene, and the edited-out Ceti Eel close-ups (both going in & coming out of Chekov's ear) are the only three differences between the Director's Edition and the ABC-TV cut, not counting the aspect ratio.

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Old September 13 2014, 04:08 AM   #36
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Those never released Saavik half-Romulan and Saavik and David scenes are here:

http://youtu.be/7rKw66EU5Fc
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Old September 13 2014, 06:17 PM   #37
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DamnDirtyApe wrote: View Post
The additional line of computer dialog in the Kobayashi Maru scene is on YouTube. Check it out here:

http://youtu.be/HYN_Pk1qi-w

This, the alternate elevator scene, and the edited-out Ceti Eel close-ups (both going in & coming out of Chekov's ear) are the only three differences between the Director's Edition and the ABC-TV cut, not counting the aspect ratio.

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Well actually they cut the "god" out of McCoy's "....God-damn computer console."
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Old September 13 2014, 06:23 PM   #38
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Those never released Saavik half-Romulan and Saavik and David scenes are here:

http://youtu.be/7rKw66EU5Fc

Actually that's only about 5% of what was cut from the final bridge scene. it had to be heavily edited to avoid spoiling the fact that David was Kirk's son. Also they cut out Saavik's --"So YOU turn out to be the dumb bastard." ---which was a callback to another cut scene which would have made no sense out of context.


Really that portion was only shown to let the audience know there were some young new characters in the movie.

Here's the entire cut portion...........

247 INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE 247

The door whooshes. Kirk strides on the bridge, David
with him. Carol is there with Bones; they are glad at
what they see.

SAAVIK
Admiral on the bridge!

KIRK
As you were, Mr. Saavik.

SAAVIK
Aye, sir. On course to Ceti Alpha.
All is well.

KIRK
Good, I believe you already know
my, uh, son --

Saavik comes close to blushing --

KIRK
(continuing)
Yes, well, why don't you show him
around and...

SAAVIK
Aye, sir --

She takes him off, deadpan amusement --

SAAVIK
(continuing)
So you turn out to be the dumb
bastard.

They stare at her.

SAAVIK
(continuing)
That is a little joke.

Kirk has a smile. He joins Bones and Carol facing the
screen.

BONES
She's changed her hair again.
(pause)
Will you look at that? Think
they'll name it for you, Doctor?

CAROL
Not if I can help it. We'll name
it for our friend.

At that point McCoy's says..........

"He's really not dead..."
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Old September 14 2014, 01:47 PM   #39
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Ahhh, the ABC cut.

I have it on tape.

Not a perfect copy because we edited commericals out, so the pause button playback was slightly delayed a couple of times, but I still have that baby.

It's the version of the film that I grew up on (just like ABC's extended copy of Superman II), so the "Close Up" version of the Kirk-Saavik-turbolift scene is what I was used to.

Honestly, I always preferred the close up because when I finally saw the theatrical version, I thought it sounded like Shatner-Alley were rushing their lines.

I always preferred the ABC cut's version of Dr. Carol Marcus' angry, "I *WILL NOT* subscribe to your interpretation of this event!!!"

The other thing i remember was Kirk and Spock climbing the ladder after the Genesis cave beam up and Kirk saying, "That young man is my son!" to which Spock replies, "Fascinating."

I always that it was a charming little piece of character interaction.

By the way, about that Kirk-Saavik closeup making it seem like they were attracted to each other...I grew up thinking Saavik was having an effect on Kirk that made him a little nervous. Could be because Kirk was "older", but I'd never really seen Kirk nervous around a beautiful woman before. Was he really nervous? What do you guys think?

Growing up, when Kirk and Bones first walk onto the bridge of the Enterprise, it seems like Bones is checking out Saavik, and when Bones offers Kirk a tranquilizer, I used to think that it was because Kirk was ALSO attracted to Saavik and that they were having a "guy moment" checking out the babes. But now I realize it's probably because Kirk is dying to get in the captain's chair.
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Old September 15 2014, 04:13 PM   #40
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Re: TV version of Wrath of Khan available?

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Growing up, when Kirk and Bones first walk onto the bridge of the Enterprise, it seems like Bones is checking out Saavik, and when Bones offers Kirk a tranquilizer, I used to think that it was because Kirk was ALSO attracted to Saavik and that they were having a "guy moment" checking out the babes. But now I realize it's probably because Kirk is dying to get in the captain's chair.
It was about Kirk's nervousness over Saavik never having piloted a starship out of spacedock and Spock gave her the center seat.

Which never quite made sense since Sulu was actually the guy flying, so no matter what, it's not like they were gonna slam the ship through the garage doors or anything...
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Old September 15 2014, 05:44 PM   #41
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I always thought because the cast were middle aged and going beyond that Saavik was supposed to add some youth and a good sight for the eyes. Same goes with David. They never did expand on that though really on TSFS. Maybe if negotiations failed with the original cast they had backups?

I always prefer the extended cuts. The directors cut is 99.9% the same as the abctv version, save for a few alternate takes. Love the extra character moments. It adds about 4 min. To the film. I remember growing up my next door neighbor had taped the abctv version. We watched it like wow its like watching a whole new movie lol.

Basically just pick up the 2 disc directors edition of TWOK on dvd.
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Old September 16 2014, 05:07 AM   #42
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Growing up, when Kirk and Bones first walk onto the bridge of the Enterprise, it seems like Bones is checking out Saavik, and when Bones offers Kirk a tranquilizer, I used to think that it was because Kirk was ALSO attracted to Saavik and that they were having a "guy moment" checking out the babes. But now I realize it's probably because Kirk is dying to get in the captain's chair.
It was about Kirk's nervousness over Saavik never having piloted a starship out of spacedock and Spock gave her the center seat.

Which never quite made sense since Sulu was actually the guy flying, so no matter what, it's not like they were gonna slam the ship through the garage doors or anything...
I CAN NOT and WILL NOT subscribe to your interpretation of this event!!!

It's about Kirk wanting the captain's chair again.

All joking aside, is that really what was intended or that your interpretation?
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Old September 16 2014, 08:04 AM   #43
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^^^
From the script:
They all stifle their responses. Kirk is like a father
watching his kid drive the family car for the first time.
There's the answer.
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Old September 20 2014, 01:43 AM   #44
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Maybe if negotiations failed with the original cast they had backups?
Nimoy had passed on "Phase II", coerced back for TMP and then was written out of ST II.

Shatner wanted a (non-Trek) movie career and had agreed to only the first 13 episodes of "Phase II", after which he had the option to be a semi-regular (as an admiral).

Decker and Ilia were gone as of the theatrical version of TMP, and yet at least twelve more TV scripts and synopses featuring them were on hand.

The rest of the TOS cast had roles as long as they kept agreeing to participate.

Xon/Dr Savik/Saavik (as a young Spock replacement) and David Marcus (as a young Kirk) were definitely conceived as a way to have youth and romance in whatever ongoing movies, telemovies, TV series or specials might have followed ST II.
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Old September 25 2014, 06:03 AM   #45
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ssosmcin wrote: View Post
Those never released Saavik half-Romulan and Saavik and David scenes are here:

http://youtu.be/7rKw66EU5Fc
I'm glad they cut that. The youtube poster is correct that it runs into Saavik's "damn" and kind of kills the delivery of the line.

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The additional line of computer dialog in the Kobayashi Maru scene is on YouTube. Check it out here:

http://youtu.be/HYN_Pk1qi-w

This, the alternate elevator scene, and the edited-out Ceti Eel close-ups (both going in & coming out of Chekov's ear) are the only three differences between the Director's Edition and the ABC-TV cut, not counting the aspect ratio.

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How did someone get a hold of this to begin with? Smuggled out of the editing room?
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