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Old October 16 2013, 08:43 PM   #1
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The "Keiko situation" (Rascals)

Just came across this:


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Old October 16 2013, 09:00 PM   #2
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I don't think it would be immoral since she is still the same person and mental age, but if Miles was anything like me, there's no way he could have done it. Too much of an ick factor.
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Old October 16 2013, 09:07 PM   #3
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O'brien seemed to think so and was very uncomfortable about it. Cuddling, hugging, comforting and so forth I can see as no problem.... engaging in intercourse with a ten year old body however... is just creepy at best.

Even in TNG, the O'brien Must Suffer factor was there.
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Old October 17 2013, 12:26 PM   #4
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And just think of the arguments later. Would Keiko ever be able to look at him the same if he had. Jesus, just posting in this thread makes me feel uncomfortable.
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Old October 17 2013, 02:12 PM   #5
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Would it be immoral? No, not at all. Would it be weird? Holy cow, yes. It's probably the kind of thing that would take quite some time to even start discussing the possibility.
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Old October 17 2013, 04:38 PM   #6
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Jesus, just posting in this thread makes me feel uncomfortable.
I know what you mean.
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Old October 17 2013, 04:47 PM   #7
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I think the production, and Colm Meaney in particular, played it in the only acceptable way possible. I'm sure it raised eyebrows when first read by the cast.

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Old October 17 2013, 04:53 PM   #8
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I agree with all of you. Weird, awkward, icky, creepy... but not really immoral. Keiko's being married made the whole situation more serious for her than for the other people affected.

I know it's not a very popular episode, but I've always liked it, if only for the way Ro Laren had a chance to be a playful child for the first time.
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Old October 17 2013, 05:20 PM   #9
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There was a similar situation I ran into myself in college theatre. One of the girls on campus was 20, but she was what used to be described as a midget (not a dwarf). Technically, she had proportionate dwarfism, with no deformities of the body. She easily could have been mistaken for a 12 year old child, and frequently got carded going to movies. I helped her with an assignment she had to perform, which was a love scene where she's trying to seduce the guy (from Arthur Kopit's Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mamma's Hung You in the Closet and I'm Feelin' So Sad). Everyone else she'd asked for help turned her down. It was a very uncomfortable situation, though she was my age.
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Old October 17 2013, 05:49 PM   #10
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O'Brien: "What if we modified the transporter to return everyone to their early-20s bodies? Eh? Why do I ask? Um, no reason..."
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Old October 17 2013, 08:40 PM   #11
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Yeah, that's really creepy.
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Old October 17 2013, 10:31 PM   #12
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Keiko's clearly capable of consent though her form seemed distinctly pre-puberty so I'm not sure how it would have worked.

Hugging and having adult conversations certainly is not wrong but I think puberty is a cutoff for the sexual situation. If it were a permanent situation, and Keiko was through puberty, I think O'Brien would have adjusted to it.

I don't think I'd have hangups with a little person my age though, no matter how old she really looked. I'd just hope she'd have the sense to wear an adult hairstyle and other signals of obvious adulthood. What do female little people do so people don't see them as children? Males can grow beards, but females don't have that option. Remembering that episode of 30 Rock with Tyrian...
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Old October 17 2013, 11:20 PM   #13
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Yeah, the puberty thing is big. In truth, she would NOT be the same person emotionally, because her hormones would be so different.
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Old October 17 2013, 11:43 PM   #14
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Certainly true, if you want to invoke real world endocrinology for this situation.
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Old October 18 2013, 12:04 AM   #15
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