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Old October 10 2013, 11:31 PM   #16
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Re: Supernatural Season 9 (Spoilers)

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I'm not convinced Ezekiel is benevolent.
I really hope he is, it would be sad if Castiel is the only decent Angel, of course the Winchesters can't meet too many because having an army of angel allies would make their job too easy but I want to see at least one, Ezekiel is weak so the writers have an excuse for him not using his powers to help all the time.
They could always make him a morally-grey character. He could be stealing Sam's body with the intent of doing good for (other) humans.

Castiel is also a bit morally-grey. He took the body of a guy who was married with a kid, and it's not as if his other actions have always been good.

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Old October 11 2013, 12:47 AM   #17
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Enjoyable opener and I'm looking forward to this season's premise. Hopefully Castiel will be a full series regular again like he was in S5.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:36 AM   #18
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I wanted more Grace Phipps! Too bad she was a one off

I kind of liked the idea of her and Cas going off to see the grand canyon, and learning how to be independent, would have been an interesting storyline if there were other angels out there like that for reals, just looking for direction, and they kinda started a new group of angels
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Old October 11 2013, 02:43 AM   #19
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She was excellent on the Nine Lives of Chloe King.
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Old October 11 2013, 03:38 AM   #20
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Did I misunderstand the "rules" for angelic possession that the show previously laid out, or did the current writers change them? Based on what happened with Castiel/Jimmy and then the whole bit about Heaven resurrecting Adam so that he could serve as Michael's vessel, I thought angels could only possess people of a specific bloodline. Yet Ezekiel was able to possess Sam's body just as easily as he possessed the body of whoever Penikett's guy was called.

Still, that's a minor quibble. It'll be interesting to see where that storyline goes. I doubt Dean would have accepted Ezekiel's offer to wipe his memory of the event. And I wonder if Castiel is going to get his grace back eventually. I suppose the cliche would be that he decides he likes mortal life and refuses to take it back when he has the chance.
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Old October 11 2013, 04:06 AM   #21
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Did I misunderstand the "rules" for angelic possession that the show previously laid out, or did the current writers change them? Based on what happened with Castiel/Jimmy and then the whole bit about Heaven resurrecting Adam so that he could serve as Michael's vessel, I thought angels could only possess people of a specific bloodline. Yet Ezekiel was able to possess Sam's body just as easily as he possessed the body of whoever Penikett's guy was called.
I believe Castiel told Jimmy that his bloodline allowed him to comfortably host an angel presence without suffering ill effects. Lucifer's host, for instance, gradually rotted, and the other archangels had a tendency to hollow-out their hosts.
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Old October 11 2013, 04:53 AM   #22
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Yeah, they've always been able to possess just about anyone. It's just some bloodlines/hosts are more suitable for long term possession than others. And with all of the angels having fallen to earth, and only so many hosts available, it's no surprise that they're desperate to get any kind of suitable body they can by any means necessary.

That said, if this is the same Ezekiel who was a prophet that God rose from a human to divinity, and especially since Castiel not only knows of him but knows him to be one of the "good guys," I'm leaning towards him being, you know, one of the good guys. Especially since we've seen so very few angels who were. Having yet another douchebag angel would just be boring and repetitive at this point.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:50 AM   #23
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Okay, got it. So angels aren't tied to specific bloodlines, it's just that certain bloodlines are more "compatible" and preferable to others. I did remember Nick as Lucifer's vessel in Season Five, but I always assumed he had the right bloodline for it (albeit not one as pure as Sam's).

I agree that having Ezekiel be yet another bad guy angel with an ulterior motive would be boring. Hopefully for once the Winchesters have encountered another angel who's actually on the level.
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Old October 11 2013, 06:03 AM   #24
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How about trade the word "pure" for "specific" and not specific for Angels in general but specific for specific Angels.
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Old October 12 2013, 09:49 AM   #25
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The host body for Cass's friend was already starting to deteriorate as they were driving along.
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Old October 16 2013, 06:17 AM   #26
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I feel there wasn't really much that happened in tonight's episode. Abbadon returned and tried to make a half-assed attempt to fight Sam and Dean and find out where Crowley was. Ezekiel took over Sam's consciousness at the last minute and defeated Abbie's demons. Then Crowley tried to get into Kevin's head by telling him his mother was still alive.
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Old October 16 2013, 10:37 PM   #27
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And Kevin was tough enough to resist Crowley, at least to the extent of letting him go; Dean declared Kevin family; Abbadon established herself as a more aggressive Big Bad than Crowley; Crowley has been confirmed as compromised by last season's purging; and having an Angel inside him seems to be healing Sam's mind as well as his injuries. Although Zeke's wings looked a bit tattered and torn to me.
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Old October 17 2013, 01:57 AM   #28
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Ach, I missed this again, didn't it use to air on Wednesday? I'm not used to it being on Tuesday, I'll have to set the DVR to record new episodes as they air.
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Old October 17 2013, 03:58 AM   #29
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Ach, I missed this again, didn't it use to air on Wednesday? I'm not used to it being on Tuesday, I'll have to set the DVR to record new episodes as they air.
Thursdays for five years, Fridays for two years, Wednesdays for one year, and now Tuesdays. I think the CW expected it to die off on Friday night, but instead it's remained one of the network's top shows.
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Old October 17 2013, 05:39 AM   #30
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And Kevin was tough enough to resist Crowley, at least to the extent of letting him go; Dean declared Kevin family; Abbadon established herself as a more aggressive Big Bad than Crowley; Crowley has been confirmed as compromised by last season's purging; and having an Angel inside him seems to be healing Sam's mind as well as his injuries. Although Zeke's wings looked a bit tattered and torn to me.
^Yes, they did. I thought that was a nice touch.
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