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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: borg for Trek 3
yes. 34 22.52%
no. 106 70.20%
save them for ST 4 (if there is one) 11 7.28%
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Old October 15 2013, 09:43 PM   #166
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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A non-Borg Threatened 24th Century would be interesting.

How about a 'Q Who' type episode with Kirk and crew - They meet up with Q who propells them into the Delta Quadrant to meet the Borg a la Picard style. But instead of getting a bloody nose and running like Picard, Kirk and crew kicks their collective asses, freeing them all, much to Q's dislike.

Fanwanky, I know.
Change Q to Trelane.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:49 PM   #167
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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A non-Borg Threatened 24th Century would be interesting.

How about a 'Q Who' type episode with Kirk and crew - They meet up with Q who propells them into the Delta Quadrant to meet the Borg a la Picard style. But instead of getting a bloody nose and running like Picard, Kirk and crew kicks their collective asses, freeing them all, much to Q's dislike.

Fanwanky, I know.
Eh, no reason for Q, TOS had plenty of their own "Q"-like adversaries to choose from that could be used.

They could use Charlie X and have Spock and Uhura singing and playing a tune together (Since that was one of their flirtiest moments in TOS), or as SeerSGB says Trelane, or the Witches from the Halloween episode...
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Old October 16 2013, 02:01 AM   #168
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

The problem isn't "overdone," far from it, I always found the Borg very interesting and downright terrifying since I was young, but then Voyager happened and neutered them.

What we need is the Borg done well. If they can pull that off, this fan will be over the moon, because that was my childhood monster. I was always scared of them.
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Old October 16 2013, 03:50 AM   #169
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Reading through this thread and I might be surprised now if this doesn't happen.


Kirk and Spock vs. The Borg


Sounds like fanwank but it might be the most marketable combo in all of Trek.
And it would be proof that the new movies just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:08 AM   #170
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A non-Borg Threatened 24th Century would be interesting.

How about a 'Q Who' type episode with Kirk and crew - They meet up with Q who propells them into the Delta Quadrant to meet the Borg a la Picard style. But instead of getting a bloody nose and running like Picard, Kirk and crew kicks their collective asses, freeing them all, much to Q's dislike.

Fanwanky, I know.
Kirk couldn't even face a fellow Federation ship without crying mercy. He'd be begging Q for help against the Borg pretty quickly
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Old October 16 2013, 05:50 AM   #171
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

One thiing:

No Frickin' Borg Queen!
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Old October 16 2013, 06:43 AM   #172
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One thiing:

No Frickin' Borg Queen!
Nothing wrong with the Queen.
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Old October 16 2013, 09:29 AM   #173
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And it would be proof that the new movies just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
And miniskirts and skintight catsuits and decon chambers all aren't?
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Old October 16 2013, 09:59 AM   #174
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And it would be proof that the new movies just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
And miniskirts and skintight catsuits and decon chambers all aren't?
Oh there's no denying that. But must I remind you of the pointless "Let's have Carol Marcus strip to her undies in the shuttle for no reason other than to show off her body to get more viewers" scene? The new movies are doing everything that Enterprise did - and much much more. Enterprise just shoves women in tight outfits (as did Voyager, admittedly). The new movies are shoving scantily clad women as well as "Huge action sequences that are there because ACTION rather than any need for them in order to advance the plot!" and "Oh, pretty special effects!!!"
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Old October 16 2013, 02:40 PM   #175
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And it would be proof that the new movies just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Oh bullshit.

Have you not been watching Star Trek for the last forty-plus years? It has always attempted to capture mainstream success.
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Old October 16 2013, 02:47 PM   #176
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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And it would be proof that the new movies just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
And miniskirts and skintight catsuits and decon chambers all aren't?
Oh there's no denying that. But must I remind you of the pointless "Let's have Carol Marcus strip to her undies in the shuttle for no reason other than to show off her body to get more viewers" scene? The new movies are doing everything that Enterprise did - and much much more. Enterprise just shoves women in tight outfits (as did Voyager, admittedly). The new movies are shoving scantily clad women as well as "Huge action sequences that are there because ACTION rather than any need for them in order to advance the plot!" and "Oh, pretty special effects!!!"
That's like complaining that TOS Kirk solved problems with his fists instead of diplomacy. "He could have talked his way out of it!"
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Old October 16 2013, 05:13 PM   #177
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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And miniskirts and skintight catsuits and decon chambers all aren't?
Oh there's no denying that. But must I remind you of the pointless "Let's have Carol Marcus strip to her undies in the shuttle for no reason other than to show off her body to get more viewers" scene? The new movies are doing everything that Enterprise did - and much much more. Enterprise just shoves women in tight outfits (as did Voyager, admittedly). The new movies are shoving scantily clad women as well as "Huge action sequences that are there because ACTION rather than any need for them in order to advance the plot!" and "Oh, pretty special effects!!!"
That's like complaining that TOS Kirk solved problems with his fists instead of diplomacy. "He could have talked his way out of it!"
Pfft. That only ever worked with highly-advanced computers.
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Old October 17 2013, 12:12 AM   #178
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And it would be proof that the new movies just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Oh bullshit.

Have you not been watching Star Trek for the last forty-plus years? It has always attempted to capture mainstream success.
Which is why DS9 became so serialized?

Yes, the series always wanted to be popular. It's business, of course they did. But the movies are going further and turning into more of a generic sci fi movie with the name Star Trek glued to the front. Honestly, the latest movie, change the names and it didn't even need to be a Star trek film.
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Old October 17 2013, 05:52 AM   #179
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

I disagree. There is still plenty of Trek in these films. It's just a different attitude.
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Old October 17 2013, 04:18 PM   #180
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

SeerSGB wrote: View Post
Balrog wrote: View Post
A non-Borg Threatened 24th Century would be interesting.

How about a 'Q Who' type episode with Kirk and crew - They meet up with Q who propells them into the Delta Quadrant to meet the Borg a la Picard style. But instead of getting a bloody nose and running like Picard, Kirk and crew kicks their collective asses, freeing them all, much to Q's dislike.

Fanwanky, I know.
Change Q to Trelane.
Please don't. Trelane was one of the worst characters TOS ever came up with. Literally a semi-ominiscient baby, who spent the entire episode whining and complaining. It was decent enough as a comedic episode of a tv series, but it would be complete crap as a film.

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A non-Borg Threatened 24th Century would be interesting.

How about a 'Q Who' type episode with Kirk and crew - They meet up with Q who propells them into the Delta Quadrant to meet the Borg a la Picard style. But instead of getting a bloody nose and running like Picard, Kirk and crew kicks their collective asses, freeing them all, much to Q's dislike.

Fanwanky, I know.
Eh, no reason for Q, TOS had plenty of their own "Q"-like adversaries to choose from that could be used.

They could use Charlie X and have Spock and Uhura singing and playing a tune together (Since that was one of their flirtiest moments in TOS), or as SeerSGB says Trelane, or the Witches from the Halloween episode...
Assuming we're still talking about the main villain of the next movie, and not just some cameo, Charlie X is really the only really decent possibility I can think of. Trelane could never possibly carry a movie. The witches were lame as hell. Apollo and his people were entirely generic and uninteresting (and using them would probably lead to comparisons to Stargate). The Organians and the Metrons were just walking stereotypes of the 'preachy evolved aliens'. Maybe there could be a decent story in the Organian peace treaty between the Federation and the Klingons, but I don't really want yet another klingon movie.

Maybe I'm forgetting someone else here, but I think if they were going to go for one of the 'omniscient' aliens as the main threat, that Q is probably the best choice for it. He was consistently portrayed as a sort of god of mischief, which provides a very solid justification for him actually significantly interfering in the plot that many of the other candidates don't have, and his original menace was only watered down by the fact that he developed an attachment to humanity - something which wouldn't have to happen in the reboot.

I could easily see a story in the idea that the enterprise is returning from it's five year mission to a newly expanded federation which, thanks to its incredible future technology has managed to undercut all its traditional rivals. And then Q shows up and decides that the Federation is 'cheating' with all that fancy technology that their enemies don't have access to, and sets about giving it a taste of its own medicine by handing out tech upgrades to all the empires that hate the federation.
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