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Old October 14 2013, 06:06 PM   #16
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Re: Orci Meets with CBS About New Series

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I would not settle for an animated series. Why should I? CBS will not risk an animated series about Star Trek with adult focus so automatically means that it will be an animated series for kids and I will be extremely annoyed by a huge number of creative choices that will be kids centric … I’m sorry but an animated series cannot live without focusing on kids, and I am a grown up and I don’t care to see kids show …
Just cause it's animated doesn't mean it has to automatically aim for the kiddie market or be dumbed down.
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Old October 14 2013, 09:24 PM   #17
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Spongebob Squarepants is a "kids" show but the storytelling is actually more mature than most live-action TV shows.
Be my guest and watch Spongebob. I never ever cared for that show and will ever ... But I'm not judging you for that honestly, but the fact is that many grown ups will not watch an animated show and it will not have the success for a long life ...

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Just cause it's animated doesn't mean it has to automatically aim for the kiddie market or be dumbed down.
Tell me one movie/franchise tie in cartoon that it isn't or it wasn't dumbed down. Please. Just one. Tell me a sci-fi cartoon with starships or so on on CBS or any of it's affiliates that it isn't targeted at kids. I can't. It might be because I'm not watching enough cartoons maybe. I just don't want that the next Star Trek TV show to be a cartoon, I'm 100% sure it will be for kids and dumbed down. If it is indeed a cartoon I hope I'm not right but this is how I feel. And the worst of it? It will not be carried as cartoon in prime time anywhere in the world so international licenses are off for prime time licenses. But honestly I really don't think it will be a prime time show in USA neither ... And anyhow just look what other studios are doing with their cartoon tie in lines for other movies. Just canceling mid stories, relaunching in different formats etc etc. Cartoons (with very few exceptions and not by big networks) are treated like second tier programming without any real respect for the viewers and without any serious audience building and I'm sorry to say I don't see this changing because the Star Trek name. And I don't want the 50th anniversary of Star Trek to be celebrated with some cartoon. Star Trek is much much much more valuable than that.
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Old October 14 2013, 09:56 PM   #18
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Be my guest and watch Spongebob. I never ever cared for that show and will ever ... But I'm not judging you for that honestly, but the fact is that many grown ups will not watch an animated show and it will not have the success for a long life ...
The Clone Wars ran for five seasons and it wasn't eight-year olds who bought up all the DVD's and Blu-ray's.

Thing is, if you don't figure out a way to draw those kids in, Trek will wither and die as those of us who are fans grow old and pass away. Making a super-serious series solely targeted at adults is the surest way of killing Trek for good.
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Old October 14 2013, 10:46 PM   #19
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It's the stories that count, not the medium. That said, a super dumbed down kiddie show would still be a step up from VOY and ENT.
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Old October 15 2013, 12:54 AM   #20
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I would prefer live action. I like to see actors...act. CBS is not going to put out an animated show in primetime on their flagship station.
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Old October 15 2013, 01:33 AM   #21
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I would prefer live action. I like to see actors...act. CBS is not going to put out an animated show in primetime on their flagship station.
I doubt we'll see Trek on CBS's flagship anyway. Likely be Sci-Fi or Showtime before they stick on CBS primetime.
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Old October 15 2013, 01:46 AM   #22
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I would prefer live action. I like to see actors...act. CBS is not going to put out an animated show in primetime on their flagship station.
CBS is not going to put Star Trek on their flagship station period. If it's live action CBS will air it on CW, Showtime, or sell the show to someone else(TNT). If it's animated then CBS will let Cartoon Network and Disney XD fight for it.
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Old October 15 2013, 05:40 AM   #23
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The Clone Wars ran for five seasons and it wasn't eight-year olds who bought up all the DVD's and Blu-ray's.

Thing is, if you don't figure out a way to draw those kids in, Trek will wither and die as those of us who are fans grow old and pass away. Making a super-serious series solely targeted at adults is the surest way of killing Trek for good.
You sure just said the name that put me most worried. It is true, I have watched Clone Wars until somewhere middle of Season 4 than gave up. I just couldn't take it anymore. True, there were some excellent episodes, but half or even more per season were mostly episodes about R2D2, some clones fooling around, Amidalas adventures with ultra damned down stories that were a pain to watch. And this is what I'm fearing about from Star Trek being a cartoon.

And I'm not wanting a super serious approach at all, I just don't want a dumbed down cartoon. You think it's okay to do a kids cartoon ignoring the millions of grown up fans? They should do a live action TV series and a marketing for the kids too. TNG wasn't dumbed down, it was a good TV show (20 years after TOS so fans where aging too than), still it had been a great success and appealed to kids without being animation. You just have to find a way to make kids aver too, the rest will come (I know it came too me, I become a TNG and Star Trek fan when I was 10)
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Old October 15 2013, 07:25 PM   #24
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I'll never really understand why fans worry so much about demographics. So what if kids are or are not interested? As you say, you'll die and the kids will move on to something that does interest them.

Maybe instead of worrying about what's in the best interest for Paramount, CBS, or whatever entity stands to make a profit, people should just be interested in what they're interested in.

That said, I'd be interested in a Star Trek show that appeals to adults. An animated show could be that, but it's likely to skew more towards kids.
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Old October 15 2013, 07:56 PM   #25
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I wasn't suggesting animation as a way to appeal specifically to kids. Visually, animation would allow for more freedom to do more imaginative stories with Kirk and Spock on some really alien worlds. To do another live action Kirk and Spock on TV while they're also on the big screen would be a mistake, IMO, and to do yet another live action spinoff with yet another ship, yet another captain, and yet another crew no one cares about except a few hardcore fans who'll watch anything with "Star Trek" in the title would be a monumental blunder.
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I'll never really understand why fans worry so much about demographics. So what if kids are or are not interested? As you say, you'll die and the kids will move on to something that does interest them.
I don't know about you but most people I know were introduced to Star Trek as children in the 70's. Too completely ignore that demographic is pretty silly.


Maybe instead of worrying about what's in the best interest for Paramount, CBS, or whatever entity stands to make a profit, people should just be interested in what they're interested in.
I'm interested in Star Trek and I'm interested in sports/entertainment business. So I do like to examine the business side and try to predict what may or may not succeed.


That said, I'd be interested in a Star Trek show that appeals to adults. An animated show could be that, but it's likely to skew more towards kids.
I've seen many animated shows that were supposedly skewed towards "kids" that are very adult. I have no issue at all with an animated Star Trek.

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I wasn't suggesting animation as a way to appeal specifically to kids. Visually, animation would allow for more freedom to do more imaginative stories with Kirk and Spock on some really alien worlds.
And animation would be far cheaper.

To do another live action Kirk and Spock on TV while they're also on the big screen would be a mistake, IMO, and to do yet another live action spinoff with yet another ship, yet another captain, and yet another crew no one cares about except a few hardcore fans who'll watch anything with "Star Trek" in the title would be a monumental blunder.
It would likely drive a stake through the franchise for good.
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