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Old October 15 2013, 12:18 AM   #31
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Re: Measure of a Man

A five year old discussion wasn't complete unless you weighed in to say that it was overrated?
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Old October 15 2013, 12:30 AM   #32
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This thread is undead. But since it's back...

For me, the episode represents TNG at its finest. The only thing I can't stand about it is when a supposedly experienced Starfleet judge pathetically whines, "I've got to make a ruling!" Minor nitpick, though, of an outstanding episode from start to finish.
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Old October 15 2013, 01:05 PM   #33
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Holy zombie thread Batman!
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A five year old discussion wasn't complete unless you weighed in to say that it was overrated?
Just testing the waters to see if anyone wanted to talk about the episode.

So I did a search and posted a comment in the applicable thread rather than start another one.

I thought that's what was supposed to be done.
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Old October 15 2013, 02:02 PM   #34
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This episode rules, possibly the best "courtroom drama" ep along with The Drumhead.
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Old October 15 2013, 02:40 PM   #35
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This episode rules, possibly the best "courtroom drama" ep along with The Drumhead.
Drumhead is lightyears ahead of Measure of a Man IMO.

PICARD: You know, there some words I've known since I was a school boy. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today

PICARD: Maybe. But she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf, that is the price we have to continually pay.

Trek is at it's finest when it is relevant in today's climate.

This is especially true nowadays with the flash in the pan media and social networking.
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Old October 15 2013, 04:05 PM   #36
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Trek is at it's finest when it is relevant in today's climate.
But political climates change. "Measure of a Man" has to do with universals. What does it mean to have consciousness? Can anyone prove they're conscious?
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Old October 15 2013, 04:10 PM   #37
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You revived a four year old threat to say that?
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Old October 15 2013, 05:04 PM   #38
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Yanks wrote: View Post
Just testing the waters to see if anyone wanted to talk about the episode.

So I did a search and posted a comment in the applicable thread rather than start another one.

I thought that's what was supposed to be done.
I think staff around here generally prefers that you start a new thread, if the previous one is more than 6 months old. I often try to see what shows up in the subforum's list of topics (which I think are set by default to the last 30 days), and if nothing shows up, I'll start a new one. Some of the subforums have light traffic, so I'll look back a little further then.

They won't put you in the brig unless you make a habit of necromancy I think.
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Old October 15 2013, 06:04 PM   #39
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Just testing the waters to see if anyone wanted to talk about the episode.

So I did a search and posted a comment in the applicable thread rather than start another one.

I thought that's what was supposed to be done.
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to bump the "episode of the week" thread? That one is only a few months old.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=207220
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Old October 15 2013, 06:05 PM   #40
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Trek is at it's finest when it is relevant in today's climate.
But political climates change. "Measure of a Man" has to do with universals. What does it mean to have consciousness? Can anyone prove they're conscious?
All very interesting questions posed by this episode.

"sentient" is applicable too.

None of which needed to be determined by this trial however, as Star Fleet already accepted Data's application to SFA and commissioned him as an Officer.

Do all Officer's have to submit to medical research?

I think Data's rights as a commissioned officer should have nulled any need for this trial.
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Old October 15 2013, 06:07 PM   #41
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jimbotron wrote: View Post
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Just testing the waters to see if anyone wanted to talk about the episode.

So I did a search and posted a comment in the applicable thread rather than start another one.

I thought that's what was supposed to be done.
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to bump the "episode of the week" thread? That one is only a few months old.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=207220
I don't know man.

Like I said, I did a search and this one (an another) came up.

I picked one of the two and posted in it.

Crucify me if you must.
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Old October 15 2013, 06:15 PM   #42
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Just testing the waters to see if anyone wanted to talk about the episode.

So I did a search and posted a comment in the applicable thread rather than start another one.

I thought that's what was supposed to be done.
I think staff around here generally prefers that you start a new thread, if the previous one is more than 6 months old. I often try to see what shows up in the subforum's list of topics (which I think are set by default to the last 30 days), and if nothing shows up, I'll start a new one. Some of the subforums have light traffic, so I'll look back a little further then.

They won't put you in the brig unless you make a habit of necromancy I think.


It appears that I probably chose the "wrong" one of the two. The other on was more recent. (the one that jimbotron linked)

I don't see what the problem is with bring to life an older thread though.

I f I need to delete and move stuff, I'm hoping someone will let me know.

Thanks.
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Old October 15 2013, 06:39 PM   #43
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Three posts in a row is frowned upon because it sometimes looks like spamming the thread. There's a multi-quote option available but I've never gotten the hang of it, so I usually do a lot of copy/paste work.
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Old October 15 2013, 06:46 PM   #44
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Melakon, it took me a long time to figure out the multi-quote function, but it's actually very simple:

Click the MultiQuote button for each post that you want to quote, and, after the last one, also click either the Quote button or Post Reply.
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Old October 15 2013, 07:06 PM   #45
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Three posts in a row is frowned upon because it sometimes looks like spamming the thread. There's a multi-quote option available but I've never gotten the hang of it, so I usually do a lot of copy/paste work.
Yeah, I've gotten demerits

Just a habit I've got to get myself into. Although responding to posts in discussion shouldn't be considered "spam".

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Melakon, it took me a long time to figure out the multi-quote function, but it's actually very simple:

Click the MultiQuote button for each post that you want to quote, and, after the last one, also click either the Quote button or Post Reply.
It is a pretty damn cool function. I just need to remember to use it
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