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Old October 14 2013, 10:40 PM   #241
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^ probably not, but its still fun to speculate.
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Old October 15 2013, 01:36 AM   #242
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Re: 50th Is "The Day Of The Doctor" (And Is 75 Minutes)

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John Hurt is a good actor, but I'd much rather have Paul McGann, Sylvester McCoy, or even Peter Davison if it came to it.
I'm not fixated on the actors -- except to the extent that I keep going, "John Hurt is the Doctor!" -- because what really matters to me is the story.

If it's a shitty story, McGann and McCoy aren't going to elevate it any more than Hurt will. "The Next Doctor" had a fantastic cast, but the story was terrible, and if a better cast were possible that wouldn't have made "The Next Doctor" any better.

I'm really starting to think that, even if "The Day of the Doctor" is the greatest Doctor Who story ever, it won't be appreciated by fandom for years to come. The gap between expectations (like Green Lantern's desire for what amounts to a filmed convention panel) and the reality are so far apart that it will take reappreciations of the story, removed in time from broadcast, for "The Day of the Doctor" to be truly understood and embraced. I'm not sure what that says about Moffat, Doctor Who, and fandom itself. Nothing good, probably.
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Old October 15 2013, 02:13 AM   #243
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^ I agree, a good story is most important.

That said, I'd prefer a good story with a classic Doctor over a good story with a newly concocted Doctor.

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Old October 15 2013, 02:45 AM   #244
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Just based on what is known now, my opinion that revealing John Hurt as a mysterious forgotten Doctor made for a better cliffhanger setup for Day of the Doctor than having Paul McGann or Peter Davison or whoever would have. An unknown former Doctor, and he's John Hurt pretty much hooks the audience and makes them interested in the story which is going to be told to explain this. One of the actual former Doctors stirs up fan excitement, and I must confess I would likely experience a fangasm had the scene actually featured McGann, McCoy, or whoever. But once the nostalgia clears, what else is there to look forward to for the six months he have to wait?

Don't get me wrong, I am a bit disappointed Tennant's the only former Doctor returning, and no classic era Doctors. And I'm someone who considers Tennant to be "my Doctor." But John Hurt's Doctor might very well be a suitable substitute, and not the slap in the face some are already making it out to be.
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Old October 15 2013, 02:52 AM   #245
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^ It all depends on the quality of the story. Revealing Hurt could be great or not so great. Depends on the story. Same as with including a classic Doctor.

All things being equal, I'd prefer a story with a classic Doctor.

But, here's hoping that it's great with Hurt!
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Old October 15 2013, 02:58 AM   #246
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Even if Day of the Doctor turns out to be crap, I'll still think the cliffhanger we got in The Name of the Doctor is better than it would have been had it included a classic Doctor.
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Old October 15 2013, 03:01 AM   #247
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You're right, but The Name of The Doctor is a great standalone story, even with the cliffhanger removed. I'd lose the Hurt Doctor if we just gave his role to McGann instead and had it so it's the Eighth that's gone all dark.
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Old October 15 2013, 03:15 AM   #248
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But even the Eighth Doctor has his share of loyal fans who might find cause to be offended if their Doctor were to be depicted as a dark incarnation who has been stripped of his knighthood (identification as the Doctor).
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Old October 15 2013, 04:25 AM   #249
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Some segment of fandom will always feel offended no matter what and will be very vocal about it, which is why ultimately the opinion of fandom is just noise and no showrunner should ever pay any attention to it.
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Old October 15 2013, 10:06 AM   #250
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But even the Eighth Doctor has his share of loyal fans who might find cause to be offended if their Doctor were to be depicted as a dark incarnation who has been stripped of his knighthood (identification as the Doctor).
I wouldn't expect that at all as Clara saw McGann's Doctor. Hurt's character isn't going to be the 8th, I wouldn't think.
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Old October 15 2013, 01:54 PM   #251
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But even the Eighth Doctor has his share of loyal fans who might find cause to be offended if their Doctor were to be depicted as a dark incarnation who has been stripped of his knighthood (identification as the Doctor).
I wouldn't expect that at all as Clara saw McGann's Doctor. Hurt's character isn't going to be the 8th, I wouldn't think.
Obviously not. I was talking in a hypothetical situation where they used McGann instead of Hurt.
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Old October 15 2013, 02:12 PM   #252
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Even if Day of the Doctor turns out to be crap, I'll still think the cliffhanger we got in The Name of the Doctor is better than it would have been had it included a classic Doctor.
I totally get what you're saying that it was a great cliffhanger. It was the perfect cliffhanger given where Moffat wanted to go. But, I still think that if he had a plan for a classic Doctor, he could've come up with a completely different, but equally as good cliff hanger.

But, what we got was excellent for sure. It definitely got most people wondering what was going to happen next which is the point of a cliffhanger!

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Old October 15 2013, 03:12 PM   #253
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But even the Eighth Doctor has his share of loyal fans who might find cause to be offended if their Doctor were to be depicted as a dark incarnation who has been stripped of his knighthood (identification as the Doctor).
Believe me, fans will be pissed even in this situation, if the Hurt Doctor turns out to be the Doctor who ended the Daleks and the Time Lords (temptedly, even this one), becaause it would make the Doctor not REALLY responsible for that horrible act, since his "bad self" did it. Plus, it would take away from the Ninth Doctor.

Now, I'm not predisposed to the Hurt Doctor, or the fact that the anniversary special can be special. Far from it. I still hope its gonna be a rollicking good story with lots of fun interaction between Smith and Tennant and a performance worthy of John Hurt.

But even as a recent, relatively new fan, I can't help but feel dissapointed that at least one old Doctor wasn't brought back - and one that, realistically, wasn't technically an Old Who Doctor, but more like The One Between Old And Nu Who Doctor.

PS: I would have LOVED it if McGann had turned out to be a Dark Doctor, one that the future versions discarded. And I say that as a fan of his Big Finish audios.
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Old October 15 2013, 03:17 PM   #254
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Well even if the Hurt Doctor did it he was still the Doctor, he'll still remember it, just as he no doubt remembers anything suspect a past incarnation did, and Nine's sense of guilt suggests it isn't like he partitioned off the guilt over the Hurt Doctor's actions, even if he somehow partitioned off the Hurt Doctor.
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Believe me, fans will be pissed even in this situation, if the Hurt Doctor turns out to be the Doctor who ended the Daleks and the Time Lords (temptedly, even this one), becaause it would make the Doctor not REALLY responsible for that horrible act, since his "bad self" did it. Plus, it would take away from the Ninth Doctor.
No offense, but fan assumptions about the Time War -- and that's all that the belief that the eighth Doctor ended the Time War is, since even RTD didn't hold that belief -- shouldn't stand in the way of the story Moffat wants to tell.
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