RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,251
Posts: 5,348,812
Members: 24,613
Currently online: 593
Newest member: Chairslinger

TrekToday headlines

MicroWarriors Releases Next Week
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

Ships Of The Line Design Contest
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

Next Weekend: Shore Leave 36!
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

True Trek History To Be Penned
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

Insight Editions Announces Three Trek Books For 2015
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

To Be Takei Review by Spencer Blohm
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

Mulgrew: Playing Red
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

Hallmark 2015 Trek Ornaments
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

Funko Mini Spock
By: T'Bonz on Jul 23

IDW Publishing Comic Preview
By: T'Bonz on Jul 23


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Voyager

Voyager There's coffee in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old October 14 2013, 09:59 AM   #31
Gov Kodos
Vice Admiral
 
Gov Kodos's Avatar
 
Location: Gov Kodos Regretably far from Boston
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

teacock wrote: View Post
Spock enjoys 3D chess, playing a harp type instrument, art and antiquities and googleing stuff (research). His favorite soup is plomeek but he likes to try new and interesting foods such as marshmallows. He enjoys handling pleasant and furry pets. He is widely read in literature from at least two different planets as well as philosophy and history.

I would defo go for a walk on the beach with him.
Spock is fun, unlike Riker who just seems needy and sleazy. He wants to be like Kirk, but really he is the Ross of Star Fleet. Chakotay, blame the writers as much as anything. The folks writing Voyager didn't know what to do with him. Let's see if Janeway and the Borg Queen can come up with something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FmyAzl9kOM
__________________
We are quicksilver, a fleeting shadow, a distant sound... our home has no boundaries beyond which we cannot pass. We live in music, in a flash of color... we live on the wind and in the sparkle of a star! Endora, Bewitched
Gov Kodos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 10:41 AM   #32
teacake
Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

^aaaaaaahahahaha.. good. Haven't seen that one for ages.

Oh and Chakotay > Riker. Chakotay is pleasant.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 01:21 PM   #33
AllStarEntprise
Captain
 
AllStarEntprise's Avatar
 
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

^But Riker is such a goofball


AllStarEntprise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 04:45 PM   #34
teya
Vice Admiral
 
teya's Avatar
 
Location: 2 mi S of Capt Braxton's shopping cart
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

SignGuyHPW wrote: View Post
I also thought that the Native American aspect was pretty different and I enjoyed it.
Because, yeah, that's what Native Americans are like.

Pardon me, because I have to go restock my hallucinogens & buy a dreamcatcher for my bedroom.

__________________
Akoochimoya, my indigenous ass.
teya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 05:17 PM   #35
Melakon
Vice Admiral
 
Melakon's Avatar
 
Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Gov Karnstein wrote: View Post
. . .Chakotay, blame the writers as much as anything. The folks writing Voyager didn't know what to do with him. . .
This could be said about several of the characters. Chakotay, Janeway, Kes, etc. Neelix tries various jobs looking for a niche to fit into, the EMH finally bloomed after getting the mobile emitter, Paris starts off as the ladies' man, and Harry-- well, I think Harry's finest hour was "The Chute"-- "This man is my friend. Nobody touches him!" B'Elanna was the Angry Klingon until they hooked her up with Paris, which suggests she just needed a good lay.

Tuvok seemed to be the only one the writers had a real lock on from the start.
__________________
Curly: Moe, Larry, the cheese! Moe, Larry, the cheese! (Horses Collars, 1935)
Melakon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 05:47 PM   #36
TheSubCommander
Captain
 
TheSubCommander's Avatar
 
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

I never really had that much of a problem with Chakotay. But he seemed too calm and at peace, and agreeable to with Janeway and Starfleet in general, to have been a Masquis. I think they should have written Chakotay to but heads with Janeway more, at least in the beginning, sort of the same way as B'elanna, and showed him change and become more at peace with Starfleet, and maybe himself. Also, I think they should have, instead of writing him to be from a generic, made up Native American tribe influenced by Delta Quadrant aliens, they should have made him from a real tribe (IE Navajo, Apache, Hopi especially, since he was supposed to be from the US Southwest~or mixed tribe heritage). Instead of using stereotypes, they could have introduced REAL native culture to the audience.
TheSubCommander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 05:52 PM   #37
Lance
Fleet Captain
 
Lance's Avatar
 
Location: The Enterprise's Restroom
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

The Voyager writer's room clearly had some ideas for the characters in the beginning. But unlike TNG or DS9, where an ensemble dynamic ultimately prevailed, VOY simply developed in a way where a few breakout characters (the EMH in particular) clearly asserted themselves over time as being far more interesting to write for than the others.

Chakotay unfortunately just ended up being one of the ones whose character traits as described in the format document weren't enough to hang seven seasons of storylines on. And as others have said elsewhere, it certainly didn't help that the Maquis storyline, which let's face it was pretty much his whole rason detre for existing in the cast in the first place, was dropped almost immediately by order of the network. Having said that, they still found things for him to do..... but they simply weren't very interesting things.
Lance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 09:46 PM   #38
Timewalker
Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady
 
Timewalker's Avatar
 
Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

NeedleOfInquiry wrote: View Post
Riker also knew that if Picard got sufficiently irritated with him, he could be transferred thisfast. Janeway didn't have that luxury, and she needed crewmembers who could fight and who knew how to run a ship.
So, Riker only follower orders, not because he's a good first officer, but because he's afraid of being demoted?
Transfer does not necessarily mean a demotion. Riker wanted to stay on the Enterprise. Piss off the Captain too many times, and the next time Riker had a chance to transfer (to a new posting as First Officer, or even Captain), Picard might not allow him to choose to stay.

Spock's hobbies are music and chess. He has a normal routine for meditation in his quarters, and some sort of shrine. He is a vegetarian, and we know he likes plomeek soup. He doesn't normally drink alcohol, but on at least one occasion he surprised Kirk and McCoy by accepting a glass of brandy.
Same goes for Chakotay, mostly. Only, Chakotay likes to box, carve, and Spirit Walk. Plus, he enjoys Archaeology.
Boxing is no recommendation to me for someone with a worthwhile hobby. Carving? Yeah, that's fine. So is archaeology. But it still doesn't give him an actual personality.


Melakon wrote: View Post
Gov Karnstein wrote: View Post
. . .Chakotay, blame the writers as much as anything. The folks writing Voyager didn't know what to do with him. . .
This could be said about several of the characters. Chakotay, Janeway, Kes, etc. Neelix tries various jobs looking for a niche to fit into, the EMH finally bloomed after getting the mobile emitter, Paris starts off as the ladies' man, and Harry-- well, I think Harry's finest hour was "The Chute"-- "This man is my friend. Nobody touches him!" B'Elanna was the Angry Klingon until they hooked her up with Paris, which suggests she just needed a good lay.

Tuvok seemed to be the only one the writers had a real lock on from the start.
There's nothing wrong with Neelix trying various jobs to find a niche. That's what many people do in RL. Neelix said it himself - he wanted to stay on the ship and to justify that, he had to make himself useful in some way or else he'd just be a passenger - the sort of person Janeway said they didn't want (in Caretaker).
__________________
"Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

For some great Original Series fanfic, check out the Valjiir Continuum!
Timewalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 09:50 PM   #39
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Which is why Sam was so close lipped about her pregnancy.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 10:41 PM   #40
TenLubak
Commander
 
TenLubak's Avatar
 
Location: Baltimore MD USA
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

As a Native American;
I think that any awareness toward our people is good. Sure TNG had typecast us as a tribeless one kind fits all culture based on a coloring book and Chakotay- well that I can explain-he was just a liar thinkin "no one I know is out here- let's see how long I can keep this Indian bee ess up.....maybe I'll go to the hydroponics weed growing bay and blaze before my shift and say im going on a spirit walk with the geico alien.
__________________
"Now, how are we progressing, Mister La Forge?"
"About like you'd expect, sir."
"Splendid. Splendid. Carry on."
TenLubak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 14 2013, 11:53 PM   #41
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Chakotay had a peyote machine that induced visions without narcotics.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 15 2013, 12:07 AM   #42
teacake
Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Is everyone in the future so uninterested in getting high that having one of these machines is just something weirdo religions do? Or perhaps it really isn't very pleasant.. then again I remember reading Carlos Casteneda which my mother thought was some spiritual revelation and thinking it sounded like absolute shit.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 15 2013, 12:22 AM   #43
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Worf forced visions by fasting for days... Mushrooms would save so much time.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 15 2013, 12:22 AM   #44
Captain Kathryn
Commodore
 
Captain Kathryn's Avatar
 
Location: In Star Trek / Doctor Who fantasy land aka New Jersey
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Captain Kathryn
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

I am a Janeway/Chakotay shipper.

However Chakotay by himself is pretty drab. Anytime he does finally talk or say something "interesting" it's always about "his people" or his religion (if you want to call it that?).

I think that combined with Janeway, she brings out some awesomeness in him though.

However, again, by himself...meh.
__________________
Assimilate more Janeway...among other stuff! Captain Kathryn's Tumblr
Captain Kathryn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 15 2013, 12:23 AM   #45
Captain Kathryn
Commodore
 
Captain Kathryn's Avatar
 
Location: In Star Trek / Doctor Who fantasy land aka New Jersey
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Captain Kathryn
Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

teacock wrote: View Post
Is everyone in the future so uninterested in getting high that having one of these machines is just something weirdo religions do? Or perhaps it really isn't very pleasant.. then again I remember reading Carlos Casteneda which my mother thought was some spiritual revelation and thinking it sounded like absolute shit.
Gah I love your new avatar!
__________________
Assimilate more Janeway...among other stuff! Captain Kathryn's Tumblr
Captain Kathryn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:10 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.