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I prefer the Wrath of Khan 110 72.85%
I Prefer Into Darkness 17 11.26%
I like them both the same 24 15.89%
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Old October 13 2013, 11:16 AM   #1
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T.W.O.K vs STID

Or The Wrath of Khan vs The Wrath of John Harrison

which do you prefer
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Old October 13 2013, 11:36 AM   #2
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Definitely Into Darkness. Although I enjoy Wrath of Khan and think it's a good movie, I think it's overrated. I always preferred the fun and adventure of III - that fun and adventure which ID has LOTS of.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:50 AM   #3
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

"The Wrath of Khan" is my favourite movie of all time.
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Old October 13 2013, 01:29 PM   #4
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Into Darkness was fun but I think Wrath of Khan was better. The series history gave it more substance.
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Old October 13 2013, 01:58 PM   #5
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

I like both the same, both for different reasons.
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Old October 13 2013, 02:50 PM   #6
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

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"The Wrath of Khan" is my favourite movie of all time.
Same here.

I absolutely love the whole trilogy.
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Old October 13 2013, 03:16 PM   #7
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After watching TWOK until my tapes wore out, I had left the movie behind for about a decade. My memories were that it was a bit cheesy, but fun. After STID, I rewatched TWOK with new eyes and it was phenomenal. Every beat was great, the pacing was great, the characters were focused and the story was well built. It really emphasized what a mess STID was. Watch both in a setting and I can't believe anyone would choose the STID over TWOK.
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Old October 13 2013, 04:46 PM   #8
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

TWOK of course.

Better plot, better Enterprise, better guest characters (can't beat the real Khan and Kirstie Alley's Saavik), better all round feel.
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Old October 13 2013, 04:50 PM   #9
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

I like them both.

It's really tough to compare two movies made thirty years apart against each other. The differences in technology, society and audience expectations are astounding.
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Old October 13 2013, 05:40 PM   #10
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Re: T.W.O.K vs STID

Wrath of Khan. While on the surface it was a simple enough movie on the surface, it was subtly deep on a lot of levels with the themes of getting old, rebirth, revenge impossible odds and death. Heck, Khan's own bookshelf on the Botany Bay foreshadowed this nicely.

The action sequences in ID were no doubt better, but 30 years later that's a given. The difference between the two movies is TWOK used the action sequences to enhance the movie, while ID used them pretty much to carry it.
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Old October 13 2013, 07:45 PM   #11
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Has to be TWOK, it was a better story. The story included the "re-birth" of the aging Kirk, and his introduction to his adult child (we knew he had to of had some). The death of a major character that wasn't fixed suddenly by the end of the movie, you had to watch the sequel to see that.

STiD had better SFX, but to it's detriment it had too many action sequences. Don't get me wrong, I like to see some, but they should not get in the way of the story telling.

The first couple of time Star Trek trotted out "the evil admiral" it was good story telling, by the time of STiD it was cliché and tired.




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Old October 13 2013, 08:22 PM   #12
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The first couple of time Star Trek trotted out "the evil admiral" it was good story telling, by the time of STiD it was cliché and tired.
With seven-hundred plus episodes, everything is going to feel "cliche and tired".
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Old October 13 2013, 09:30 PM   #13
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I like them both.

It's really tough to compare two movies made thirty years apart against each other. The differences in technology, society and audience expectations are astounding.
Agree.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:08 PM   #14
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Easily WRATH OF KHAN, no question.
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Old October 14 2013, 12:39 AM   #15
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With seven-hundred plus episodes, everything is going to feel "cliche and tired".
Not at all, I thought the death of Pike (even though we seen lot's of deaths before) was depicted quite well.

The scene with Scotty in the club bitching with his friend, receiving a call on his "cellphone" was funny and interesting.

Scotty (again) stating that he had to sign off on everything that was brought aboard to ensure it did interact with the M/AM reactor made a lot of sense.

Really too bad these were such isolated good moments.

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