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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.35%
A 161 21.64%
A- 100 13.44%
B+ 82 11.02%
B 58 7.80%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
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Old October 13 2013, 06:38 PM   #4861
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Make sure the planet is in Federation space, then.
That's never stopped anyone before! I'll point to Kruge and the Genesis planet as exhibit A.
Borg and Earth: Exhibit B
Breen and Earth: Exhibit C
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Old October 13 2013, 06:51 PM   #4862
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At least Kruge knew exactly what the Genesis planet was. Placing Khan and his crew on some random world wouldn't do anything, because there'd be no reason for passersby to suspect that anything was there.
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Old October 13 2013, 07:00 PM   #4863
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At least Kruge knew exactly what the Genesis planet was. Placing Khan and his crew on some random world wouldn't do anything, because there'd be no reason for passersby to suspect that anything was there.
By having spies deep within the Federation that could access those records. What makes you think those same spies wouldn't exist in the Abramsverse?

Wherever Khan and his cadre are stored, danger exists someone could set them free either intentionally or inadvertently. In the Abramsverse, the Klingons now have had a pair of run-ins a century apart with what seems to be human(s) of exceptional ability.

It may pique their curiosity.
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Old October 14 2013, 07:31 AM   #4864
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At least Kruge knew exactly what the Genesis planet was.
Only because Valkris found out about it for him.
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Old October 15 2013, 02:59 AM   #4865
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^ But it would be easier for somebody to let them loose from the warehouse where they are stored.
It's almost like they're planning a sequel, or something
I'd be more optimistic if we had ever seen the Ark of the Covenant unboxed again.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:14 AM   #4866
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Then again, do we ever actually see where the warehouse is located? For all we know IT could be on Ceti Alpha V. That's even better: rather than let Khan's group loose on an uninhabited planet, put them on ice in a warehouse on said planet.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:29 AM   #4867
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I'd be more optimistic if we had ever seen the Ark of the Covenant unboxed again.
Well it was partially unboxed in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
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Old October 16 2013, 03:39 PM   #4868
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Finally got around to watching the movie. And made an account here just to complain about it. There were so many bad parts I don't want to list them all, but the one that bothered me the most was that, when I was a kid I really loved the star trek series and watched them all. I liked that Star Trek Voyager had a female captain. I know it wasn't great in its portrayal of females but there were some strong female characters (like Kira and Jadzia from Deep Space Nine).

Anyway, in the star trek into darkness movie the men do all the fighting, do all the exploring, and the women only seem to be there to look at. What is the point of the blonde girl's role except to show her in a short dress and in her underwear (yea I know she is the weapons expert but it seemed kind of token). And then Spock's love interest (I forgot her name but I know she is in the original series). She only seemed to be there to show some lame lovers quarrel with Spock. Except at the end where she was beamed to earth to shoot the bad guy. I felt like the writers were like, oh hang on, we've only portrayed women in the movie as eye candy, we better show one doing something useful.

Anyway it was crap. Somehow I felt like all my childhood dreams were crushed. Maybe cause what I liked in the series is that I felt like it showed anyone can be anything no matter what background they are from if they put in the hard work (which resonated with me because my parents were migrants). But I felt like in the movie it just showed only white men can be anything.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:01 PM   #4869
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But I felt like in the movie it just showed only white men can be anything.
You definitely saw a different edit of the movie than I did.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:05 PM   #4870
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Made an account here just to complain about it.
Because that's not suspicious and/or neurotic in any way.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:27 PM   #4871
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Finally got around to watching the movie. And made an account here just to complain about it. There were so many bad parts I don't want to list them all, but the one that bothered me the most was that, when I was a kid I really loved the star trek series and watched them all. I liked that Star Trek Voyager had a female captain. I know it wasn't great in its portrayal of females but there were some strong female characters (like Kira and Jadzia from Deep Space Nine).

Anyway, in the star trek into darkness movie the men do all the fighting, do all the exploring, and the women only seem to be there to look at. What is the point of the blonde girl's role except to show her in a short dress and in her underwear (yea I know she is the weapons expert but it seemed kind of token). And then Spock's love interest (I forgot her name but I know she is in the original series). She only seemed to be there to show some lame lovers quarrel with Spock. Except at the end where she was beamed to earth to shoot the bad guy. I felt like the writers were like, oh hang on, we've only portrayed women in the movie as eye candy, we better show one doing something useful.

Anyway it was crap. Somehow I felt like all my childhood dreams were crushed. Maybe cause what I liked in the series is that I felt like it showed anyone can be anything no matter what background they are from if they put in the hard work (which resonated with me because my parents were migrants). But I felt like in the movie it just showed only white men can be anything.
You are entitled to dislike the film and I am not trying to change your mind about your overall view of it, but I disagree with some of the specifics of your criticism.

First, the Abrams movies are based on the original series, not the series that came after. The result is the characters are set in terms of sex, gender and skin colour. The original series was made in a time of less diversity than more recent television and as the goal was to use the same characters, that is an unavoidable situation. Had the films been based on later series OR presenting entirely new characters, then the complaints about the lack of diversity might be more compelling.

Second, neither Uhura (the character whose name you cannot recall) or Marcus (the blond woman) were in the story purely as "eye candy". Marcus does appear scantily clad for a moment (and it is a brief moment) but the main consequence of that moment is Kirk FAILING to establish his charms on her. Moreover, she is the weapons expert and shows considerable bravery in standing up to her father. Could she have done more? Sure. But she was a tertiary character (Kirk and Spock are the prime characters, Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, McCoy, Chekov are the secondary characters, Admiral Marcus and Harrison/Khan are the main villains, Marcus is a tertiary supporting character). There was not more for her to do because she's not that important.

Uhura was not there just to be a "girlfriend". She has a significant scene with the Klingons, exhibiting a set of skills no one else had (and skills that are neither gender nor sex specific, thus adding to the diversity of the roles assigned to the crew, regardless of gender or sex). She is also instrumental in aiding Spock, one of the two primary heroic characters, to defeat the main villain. Her importance to the film, as a secondary character, is second only to (and, arguably, equal to) Scotty's role. It is more substantial than McCoy (by a little bit) as well as Sulu and Chekov (by a lot).

Third, when Chekov leaves the bridge to go to engineering, he is replaced by a female character--a woman of colour who, while not unattractive (at least to me--I can only speak for myself), is certainly not a conventional "movie babe" in appearance. Her role is not overly important, but it is the kind of role that would have gone to a white male in previous decades.

I find your overall criticism to be similar to others I've read (here and in other fora) wherein the main failings of the film appear to be rooted in an implicit desire to have Abrams' films hew more closely to TNG-era trek, where there was a greater diversity of important roles going to women and visible minorities than what was the case in the original series. But Abrams' did not choose the TNG-era characters for his films. As such, the TNG-style "ensemble" approach you appear to find lacking, simply isn't there. In the original series, it was the Kirk and Spock show. Clearly Abrams found that a satisfactory framework for his films, while still finding a way to give the secondary characters more important things to do than in the original series (especially for Uhura, Sulu and Chekov). Perhaps another creative team will revisit the TOS characters with a more ensemble approach in mind, which might be to your liking.
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Old October 16 2013, 05:18 PM   #4872
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Made an account here just to complain about it.
Because that's not suspicious and/or neurotic in any way.
That's not called for. If one wants to register an account and complain about the movie, then this thread is the place to complain.
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Old October 16 2013, 06:29 PM   #4873
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Finally got around to watching the movie. And made an account here just to complain about it. There were so many bad parts I don't want to list them all, but the one that bothered me the most was that, when I was a kid I really loved the star trek series and watched them all. I liked that Star Trek Voyager had a female captain. I know it wasn't great in its portrayal of females but there were some strong female characters (like Kira and Jadzia from Deep Space Nine).

Anyway, in the star trek into darkness movie the men do all the fighting, do all the exploring, and the women only seem to be there to look at. What is the point of the blonde girl's role except to show her in a short dress and in her underwear (yea I know she is the weapons expert but it seemed kind of token). And then Spock's love interest (I forgot her name but I know she is in the original series). She only seemed to be there to show some lame lovers quarrel with Spock. Except at the end where she was beamed to earth to shoot the bad guy. I felt like the writers were like, oh hang on, we've only portrayed women in the movie as eye candy, we better show one doing something useful.

Anyway it was crap. Somehow I felt like all my childhood dreams were crushed. Maybe cause what I liked in the series is that I felt like it showed anyone can be anything no matter what background they are from if they put in the hard work (which resonated with me because my parents were migrants). But I felt like in the movie it just showed only white men can be anything.
TOS was what the film was based on. For us TOS fans (of which there are a lot still); the TNG/VOY era stuff you liked and grew up on WAS 'retconned Star Trek' to us fans of the original series. I completely understand then why you dislike STID; but as a fan who grew up with TOS, it's why STID is so popular with us because it's more like the Star Trek we loved when we grew up.
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Old October 17 2013, 12:29 AM   #4874
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Yes I realize that the movie was based on the tv series based in the 60's. That doesn't mean it has to represent the values of that era.

I did a quick google of "Star Trek: Into Darkness females" and see quite a few posts from women who feel the same.

http://www.hypable.com/2013/05/22/st...men-portrayal/

I think the worst part for me is that I felt like they made a half assed effort to give the women some kind of important role to try and cover the fact that they were 2 dimensional characters with no purpose. Blonde girl was meant to be a super smart weapons specialist but she neutralizes the torpedo by ripping out its wires (yea right). Uhara I don't know what she is meant to be but all she does is whine at Spock until the end when she is beamed down for 2 seconds and shoots Khan. It is just so lame.

The other things that bugged me were, why are people still using laptops and mobile phones 300 years in the future. Why is there always a magic button in the midst of everything going to shit that if pressed saves everyone (this happened twice). If the core was out of alignment, why wasn't there some machine that could align it inside the core, without Kirk having to go in and kick it. His death scene was so cheesy I was rolling my eyes. And the dumbest part, the 911 reference at the end.

worst star trek movie ever!

edit: and the whole kirk and spock thing was somewhat homeoerotic.
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Old October 17 2013, 12:32 AM   #4875
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Then again, do we ever actually see where the warehouse is located? For all we know IT could be on Ceti Alpha V. That's even better: rather than let Khan's group loose on an uninhabited planet, put them on ice in a warehouse on said planet.
Do we even know the warehouse is on a planet? They could have stuck them in another automated ship and sent them sailing back into deepspace.
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