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Old October 13 2013, 08:13 AM   #16
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Except in Kes's culture she is a fully grown adult.

There is a whole innocence deal going on with Kes though and I do find that creepy when garbage scow older dude is attracted to it. Just like I do with humans.
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Old October 13 2013, 08:22 AM   #17
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Kes' father died when she was one years old.

8 year old men knock up 3 year old girls.

It's just their life cycle.

Women aged 4 through 9... Are all widows, and their children are fully grown and left home.
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Old October 13 2013, 08:37 AM   #18
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

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Kes' father died when she was one years old.

8 year old men knock up 3 year old girls.

It's just their life cycle.

Women aged 4 through 9... Are all widows, and their children are fully grown and left home.
In Elogium, Kes says that if she were on Ocampa her father would be rubbing her feet. Either her parents were odd in their age difference, or he didn't die of natural old age.
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Old October 13 2013, 09:08 AM   #19
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

And really if Neelix is creepy old dude so is Paris.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:54 AM   #20
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

NEELIX: So, what comes next?
KES: Before we begin the mating process, I have to go through a certain ritual called the rolisisin.
NEELIX: What does that involve?
KES: One of my parents has to massage my feet until my tongue begins to swell.
NEELIX: Er, where do you plan to find a parent?
KES: If Captain Janeway weren't so busy, I'd ask her, but I'm sure the Doctor would do it.
NEELIX: Will that work, since he's not a real person?
KES: The Doctor is very real to me.
NEELIX: I don't know how I feel about him massaging your feet.
KES: It's a ritual. Someone has to do it.
I'm not sticking to my guns on this one, but it's still vague enough to go either way.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:05 AM   #21
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Dang Neelix is jealous... I mean the woman tells him the one time in her life she has a baby, she wants it to be with him and he gets jealous over the prospect of the Doctor rubbing her feet.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:12 AM   #22
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

You're entirely misreading what Neelix was up to.

He wanted to see Kathryn rub his girlfriend's feet.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:22 AM   #23
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

that was the most unrealistic relationship ever.

Personally i thought Harry and Kes would have gone well together
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Old October 13 2013, 02:49 PM   #24
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

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NEELIX: So, what comes next?
KES: Before we begin the mating process, I have to go through a certain ritual called the rolisisin.
NEELIX: What does that involve?
KES: One of my parents has to massage my feet until my tongue begins to swell.
NEELIX: Er, where do you plan to find a parent?
KES: If Captain Janeway weren't so busy, I'd ask her, but I'm sure the Doctor would do it.
NEELIX: Will that work, since he's not a real person?
KES: The Doctor is very real to me.
NEELIX: I don't know how I feel about him massaging your feet.
KES: It's a ritual. Someone has to do it.
I'm not sticking to my guns on this one, but it's still vague enough to go either way.
I guess I remembered it wrongly.
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Old October 13 2013, 03:35 PM   #25
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

Neelix was actually incapable of rubbing her feet until her tongue swelled and what is the matter of letting a robot doctor do it? I am sticking with the fact that Neelix could never really satisfy Kes's sexual needs. So in 'Darkling' (2/3) through Season 3 Kes falls in love with somebody planetside and she wants to experience with him in paradise. In several more episodes she is gone. Forever.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:09 PM   #26
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

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NEELIX: So, what comes next?
KES: Before we begin the mating process, I have to go through a certain ritual called the rolisisin.
NEELIX: What does that involve?
KES: One of my parents has to massage my feet until my tongue begins to swell.
NEELIX: Er, where do you plan to find a parent?
KES: If Captain Janeway weren't so busy, I'd ask her, but I'm sure the Doctor would do it.
NEELIX: Will that work, since he's not a real person?
KES: The Doctor is very real to me.
NEELIX: I don't know how I feel about him massaging your feet.
KES: It's a ritual. Someone has to do it.
I'm not sticking to my guns on this one, but it's still vague enough to go either way.
I guess I remembered it wrongly.
You were half right and I was half wrong, which means you win.

Remember on Buffy when Riley slept with Faith who had taken over Buffy's body?

Buffy was all "You had sex with her, how couldn't you know it wasn't me!?"

Slide back to PG and Kes could have bee just as hurt that soul mate doesn't really mean like what she always thought it meant, and he couldn't tell the difference between sweet little she and some nazi space####.

Neelix should have fought for her at least as hard as Tuvix did.

But he punked out like a wimp.

Which is not how you write an epic love story.
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Old October 14 2013, 04:40 AM   #27
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

How is it that Neelix knows so little about the species he is in love with as to not know about the elogium? Wouldn't you, if you were in a committed relationship with an alien species, want to know about their reproduction? Now maybe it is like periods in that the women don't sit around chatting with the men about it and maybe he just never wanted to ask.. but I think it does show that they were not sleeping together at this point in the series. Otherwise they would have had some conversation about reproduction at some point and Neelix wouldn't have been all ".... wha?!" about the whole deal.
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Old October 14 2013, 04:49 AM   #28
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

The fact that Neelix seems to be oblivious about Ocampan reproduction makes me think he never had sex with her ever.
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Old October 14 2013, 04:52 AM   #29
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Re: What happened with Kes and Neelix?

I never thought he did for other reasons but this just occurred to me as an oddity that can be explained if they were not sleeping together.

Also Kes does not seem at all shy about biology, I can't really imagine her refusing to talk about it to him, or changing the subject repeatedly.
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Old October 14 2013, 04:55 AM   #30
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Which is why it was Tuvok's sex drive that forced Kes to trick Janeway into killing Tuvix, to gooseguard her flower's cherry.
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