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Old October 8 2013, 08:56 PM   #16
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Re: Sorry Johnny, your ship's too small...

What's monstrous about 905 meters? Look at the volume: even at that length, it still wouldn't be as LARGE as the Galaxy or the Nebula. It would be a long, slender, needle-like design with a surprisingly small internal volume, sort of like USS Discovery from 2001.
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Old October 8 2013, 09:04 PM   #17
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Re: Sorry Johnny, your ship's too small...

Actually at 905meters the Sovereign would have 5.53 million m³ which is a good deal bigger than a Nebula and only a smidgen less voluminous as a Galaxy.
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Old October 9 2013, 04:14 PM   #18
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From the Excelsior scaling thread:
A comparison of a 775m Enterprise with a 120m Defiant.

Note that the scaling is about the same as the scene in First Contact, as the Defiant is about the width of the lower secondary hull and obscures two of the escape pod hatches.

So we even have visual evidence pointing to a bigger ship. (Granted given how seldom the Enterprise is in any comparable context of other ships, this is probably an oddity)
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Old October 9 2013, 05:07 PM   #19
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Re: Sorry Johnny, your ship's too small...

Two questions:
1) is that Excelsior scaled to the larger (620m) size? It seems to be, but I can't completely tell

2) Actually, the Defiant doesn't work particularly well at 120 meters anyway and actually makes a lot more sense at between 170 and 210m. I don't know that it would make that much difference -- visually -- for First Contact.
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Old October 9 2013, 05:10 PM   #20
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Re: Sorry Johnny, your ship's too small...

Excelsior is scaled to 598m per Praetor's number at present.

And if the Defiant needs to be bigger, I don't think it presents that big of a problem. At 170m it would still be possible to scale it in a way with camera distance that it'd probably still work with a 775m sovereign.
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Old October 10 2013, 05:50 PM   #21
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Who the hell is "Johnny", and why are you apologizing to him? That's what I want to know.
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Old October 10 2013, 05:56 PM   #22
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John Eaves, a riff on his blog name "Eavesdropping with Johnny"
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Old October 11 2013, 12:43 AM   #23
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The Enterprise-E makes me mad in the way the refit Enterprise makes me mad.

Rick Sternbach very clearly laid out deck lines when he designed the E filming model, as Andrew Probert did for the refit, but we end up with plenty of reason to think both are bigger than they were carefully planned to be.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:03 AM   #24
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It's a very pretty ship, regardless.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:19 AM   #25
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Agreed. She might be a tad overdetailed in places for my taste, but her proportions are fantastic.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:27 AM   #26
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The final "aztec" design he had in mind for NEM's finale was damned pretty.
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Old October 11 2013, 09:53 AM   #27
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Basically the two larger end sizes are somewhat preposterous and even the Church 366m might be a bit problematic. Especially when we consider Kelvin is probably meant to have existed in the Prime Timeline as well.
Fits just fine to me, especially since the NuEnterprise's engine room is at least as big as the E-E's (even if its warp core is twenty times larger).
The NIF target chamber room is just under 100m across and four stories (87m) tall. IIRC, the E-E engine room is three stories tall and quite a bit smaller (and IIRC they made it even smaller in Nemesis, owing to lack of studio space)

(by the way, that one chamber is too wide and tall for a 366m Enterprise's tiny engineering hull!)
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Old October 11 2013, 02:58 PM   #28
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The final "aztec" design he had in mind for NEM's finale was damned pretty.
http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com..._front_v01.jpg
Hm, I don't think these fit together at all. The aztech paneling goes completely against the other panels. So have either or, but not both.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:56 PM   #29
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Re: Sorry Johnny, your ship's too small...

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Basically the two larger end sizes are somewhat preposterous and even the Church 366m might be a bit problematic. Especially when we consider Kelvin is probably meant to have existed in the Prime Timeline as well.
Fits just fine to me, especially since the NuEnterprise's engine room is at least as big as the E-E's (even if its warp core is twenty times larger).
The NIF target chamber room is just under 100m across and four stories (87m) tall. IIRC, the E-E engine room is three stories tall and quite a bit smaller (and IIRC they made it even smaller in Nemesis, owing to lack of studio space)

(by the way, that one chamber is too wide and tall for a 366m Enterprise's tiny engineering hull!)
Well, I was mainly referring to the actual core, which is about the same height as the E-E's core but is spherical and considerably wider in diameter.

OTOH, I do believe that Enterprise's entire engineering section probably bears an uncanny resemblance the NIF facility as a whole. This being a pre-intermix starship, most of the "waveguides" that connect to the core are probably plasma conduits leading to energizer arrays further forward (while the "Beer vat" room would probably fill the optics assembly room in the adjacent compartment.
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