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Old October 11 2013, 02:08 AM   #871
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Enemy will be out on DVD next month, confirming another hard-to-believe claim from longtime rumor sources. Web will follow next year; Amazon's listing says February, though that's not confirmed. These are UK dates, presumably, though I doubt the US will be far behind. The artwork for both seems to say 2-disc set, so special features have apparently been prepared, as was also rumored.

There are clips from and trailers for the episodes on YouTube now as well.
US release dates are usually within a month of the UK dates. Mind you, I don't see Enemy getting released in the US in November. The Tenth Planet is getting its release late November (the 19th). And since there's never any classic era DVDs released in December, Enemy of the World probably won't see a US release until 2014.

But aren't these release dates a bit too soon? Enemy of the World out next month means there won't be very many, if any, bonus features. And I doubt a February release will be enough time for Web of Fear Part 3 to get an animated reconstruction.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:14 AM   #872
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The UK date for Enemy is confirmed in the wave of midnight press coverage. As I noted, the artwork says 2-disc set on both, so there's presumably enough bonus material to warrant that, which for a six-episode story would be anything over 30 minutes. I would imagine that, as the rumors claimed, they've been working on bonus material for both stories over the past few months. Unless they've been working on animation in secret as well (and are still keeping it secret now for some reason), there isn't likely to be one for the missing episode of Web.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:43 AM   #873
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Unless they've been working on animation in secret as well (and are still keeping it secret now for some reason), there isn't likely to be one for the missing episode of Web.
Dropping the ball there, aren't they? Or is this going to be a "vanilla" release with a special edition released later on with animated reconstruction?
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Old October 11 2013, 02:54 AM   #874
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If these releases are two discs with special features they're not really "vanilla." I couldn't say why they're evidently not doing an animation for the still-missing episode of Web. (They're not animating the missing episodes of "The Crusade" either, even though that story is within their two-episode limit.) Perhaps they felt it couldn't be achieved with the same secrecy as the rest of the project. Perhaps they didn't want to add that lead time to what was apparently a protracted process already. Perhaps after the cost of recovering the episodes themselves there was no money for an animation. Perhaps some of the "blackmail" rumors are true and the episode may be returned in the near future, so they're holding off on an animation. Or maybe there's one after all and they're just not discussing it now.
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Old October 11 2013, 03:30 AM   #875
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

I usually don't go for double dips if I can avoid it, but I'm willing to make an exception in this regard. I'm already downloading the digital copies The Web of Fear and The Enemy of the World and plan to get the DVD copies as well. Hopefully, there will be an animated episode for The Web of Fear (if, in fact, the episode wasn't recovered at all) and it's something they're keeping under wraps simply because they haven't finished the process and don't want to jump the gun for whatever reason. That wouldn't be too surprising considering how cautious they've been with releasing information about the finds themselves until everything was set in stone.

Which leads me to another point: Why wait until the episodes had been remastered and ready for immediate download before officially confirming the finds? What harm would there have been to simply announce that they had been found? I can understand if this was a case of negotiations, but it seems to me that those negotiations happened some time ago if the episodes are already restored and ready to go.

I don't remember how the events leading up to Tomb of the Cybermen evolved. Did they announce the news of its find and then months later release the DVD? Or was it out all in one go? Granted, the internet has changed a lot since back then, both in the dissemination of information and the availability of digital downloads and both facts could easily alter how BBC would handle things, but I curious to know the differences in timelines between Tomb and this time around.

(For what it's worth, I view the situation for the single episodes of The Underwater Menace and Galaxy 4 differently because they were single episode finds that didn't come close to completing their respective serials, so their release methods would be different anyways)

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(They're not animating the missing episodes of "The Crusade" either, even though that story is within their two-episode limit.)
I hadn't heard that they were "definitively" not doing animation for this serial. Is there any official reason for this or has it been left vague, and as a result, is it part of the rumors that the missing episodes have been found, too? Disappointing news to read considering how much I love that serial.
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Old October 11 2013, 03:42 AM   #876
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It was about four months between announcement and release for Tomb.
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Old October 11 2013, 03:48 AM   #877
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Phil Morris on finding the missing episodes:



BBC has also put trailers and clips from the two serials on their Youtube page.

The Enemy of the World:







The Web of Fear:







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Old October 11 2013, 07:40 AM   #878
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

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The UK date for Enemy is confirmed in the wave of midnight press coverage. As I noted, the artwork says 2-disc set on both, so there's presumably enough bonus material to warrant that, which for a six-episode story would be anything over 30 minutes. I would imagine that, as the rumors claimed, they've been working on bonus material for both stories over the past few months. Unless they've been working on animation in secret as well (and are still keeping it secret now for some reason), there isn't likely to be one for the missing episode of Web.
When did Fraser and Deborah find out I wonder...

I imagine there would be heaps of extras with them involved.
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Old October 11 2013, 07:43 AM   #879
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US release dates might be later than normal apparently as the US wasn't told about these finds. The suggestion is spring 2014.
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Old October 11 2013, 07:49 AM   #880
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I saw both of these stories as a young girl many, many years ago. I remember The Web of Fear reasonably well. As a child I thought that the Yeti were not very realistic.

I don't remember Enemy of the World to the same degree except for it opening in Australia.

What pleases the most is Jamie McCrimmon appears in both. Jamie was my first ever crush and I believe my lifelong kilt fetish started with him.

I plan to download the episodes and watch them over the weekend. I hope my childhood memories aren't destroyed.

I wish that The Highlanders and Fury from the Deep could be found. I have strong memories of both of those stories.
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Old October 11 2013, 07:56 AM   #881
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How much are i-Tunes charging for the downloads?
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Old October 11 2013, 08:06 AM   #882
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U.S. prices are $1.99 per episode or $9.99 per serial. UK are £1.89 and £9.99 respectively.

Australian iTunes are $2.99 per episode of $14.99 per serial.
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Old October 11 2013, 08:24 AM   #883
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U.S. prices are $1.99 per episode or $9.99 per serial. UK are £1.89 and £9.99 respectively.

Australian iTunes are $2.99 per episode of $14.99 per serial.
New Zealand is free.

Then again we are barred from downloading them too...
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Old October 11 2013, 08:42 AM   #884
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just watched the first episode of Enemy of the World. It was probably not a story that would have appealed much to a 10 year old girl which is probably why I only had dim memories of it.
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Old October 11 2013, 09:10 AM   #885
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It was about four months between announcement and release for Tomb.
And there was some sneakery involved there as well, as BBC Worldwide didn't want BBC2 pumping for the newly discovered story as part of their then then ongoing "One old adventure for each Doctor" repeat season (as odd as it might sound in this day and age when we expect home media releases almost as soon as a show has finished broadcast, apparently any Who video of a story that had recently been repeated would tend to be a poor seller). IIRC they mislabelled the tapes as something else until after the Mind Robber had started going out or some such.

Of course, back then it was much easier to have a surprise home media release pre-internet. With, it has to be said, somewhat joyless fans scouring every inch of the BBFC website on an hourly basis for every Who related tidbit it's remarkable the Enemy release has managed to creep in unaware. Did they get it classified under a different name (would the BBFC even let you do that?), or are they having it done much closer to release than usual? Either way, nicely played.
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