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Old October 10 2013, 10:36 PM   #31
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

The only canon thing we know about the sexuality of Deltans at all is the oath of celibacy thing from Ilia, and a bit from ENT were Travis said they were attractive and open. Everything else is from novels, or even less canon sources than that (much of it Phase II background materials).
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Old October 10 2013, 10:44 PM   #32
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

A canon debate over something Roddenberry wrote? That's kinda funny yet indicative of how inconsistent Trek canon is.
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Old October 10 2013, 10:45 PM   #33
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

All I know is that I would be in serious trouble around Deltans.
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Old October 10 2013, 10:50 PM   #34
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

Did the pheromones idea come from Enterprise? It's not something I remember from any other source.

I actually like the idea of pheromones if it's something voluntary and controlled, which is something a sexually-advanced species like the Deltans should be able to do. It makes sense, if they have sensory and extra-sensory powers related to that aspect of life, for them to have refined biochemical control too; Deltan courting could be a delicate dance of chemical cues in addition to its other elements, with the right cues needed to make sex possible at all. (I know the original idea was for Deltan foreplay to consist of "lovers putting images in each others' minds," but how boring is that...)

I like the Deltans much too much, admittedly. They're my favorite under-used Trek species. If I got to write them for a show I suspect I'd be one of those writers giving his pet species new super-powers every other episode...

(As for Oath of Celibacy business: maybe we should take it with a grain of salt? If the Deltans observe it as strictly as humans observe the Prime Directive...)
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Old October 10 2013, 11:22 PM   #35
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I'm curious. Did we all just forget the scene in TMP in Sickbay. Where the Ilia probe is being examined by Dr McCoy and Chapel. Chapel comments that even she noticed her (Ilia-probe). The examination showed that the probe had replicated Ilia's pheremone function using microscopic pumps. Kirk commented that if Ilia had been replicated so perfectly and completely that the probe might be suceptable to emotional influence from Decker.
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Old October 10 2013, 11:32 PM   #36
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I did not remember that, no. Or rather I remember the scene but not the mention of a pheromone function. It's been a while, though.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:19 AM   #37
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

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All I know is that I would be in serious trouble around Deltans.
How do we know you aren't Deltan?
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Old October 11 2013, 04:39 AM   #38
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All I know is that I would be in serious trouble around Deltans.
How do we know you aren't Deltan?
Because the straight females and homosexual males don't want to have sex with him because of his pheromones. Duh.
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All I know is that I would be in serious trouble around Deltans.
How do we know you aren't Deltan?
A quick glance at my social life would tell the tale.

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All I know is that I would be in serious trouble around Deltans.
How do we know you aren't Deltan?
Because the straight females and homosexual males don't want to have sex with him because of his pheromones. Duh.
Though you do make an excellent point, good sir!
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Old October 11 2013, 05:18 AM   #40
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

If somebody doesn't want to sleep with a Deltan because of this issue, is that pheromones or fear o'moans?
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Old October 11 2013, 05:27 AM   #41
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I'm curious. Did we all just forget the scene in TMP in Sickbay. Where the Ilia probe is being examined by Dr McCoy and Chapel. Chapel comments that even she noticed her (Ilia-probe). The examination showed that the probe had replicated Ilia's pheremone function using microscopic pumps. Kirk commented that if Ilia had been replicated so perfectly and completely that the probe might be suceptable to emotional influence from Decker.
We all produces pheromones anyway, Dr Chapel could've simply been commenting on that--that the Ilia-Probe was so complex as to include something so small as BO.

As for Decker's reaction, he had just witnessed the woman he was madly in love with die on the Bridge before being brought back to him--so his overwhelmed reaction is pretty understandable I find.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:37 AM   #42
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If somebody doesn't want to sleep with a Deltan because of this issue, is that pheromones or fear o'moans?
I think it's supposed to be similar to that "once you've had black, you never go back" things.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:48 AM   #43
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Which reminds me to ask a question after having watched STID: At first, it didn't occur to me that this captain could have been Deltan.
He's not. Captain Robau is human.
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Which reminds me to ask a question after having watched STID: At first, it didn't occur to me that this captain could have been Deltan.

After seeing his female and equally bald-headed counterpart in STID and other "baldies" (no offense) I'm starting to wonder how many Deltans are involved in nuTrek or not.

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The bald woman who takes over navigation from Chekov is named Darwin, but nothing else is known bout her.



I think the only other time we've seen someone definitely intended to be Deltan was the guy with the awful conehead skullcap on the Excelsior in STIII, who is identified as such in the script.
I don't know about the guy in the skullcap on the Excelsior, I honestly don't remember him. But Jedda, one of the scientists on Regula in STII (the guy that Captain Terrell vaporizes) was always described as a Deltan, and the mate/lover of an unnamed female Deltan that Khan killed on the Regula station. Vonda McIntyre's adaptation of STIII includes a scene of Carol Marcus meeting with the life partners/spouses of the two Deltans* on Regula, and the male is described as having hair to his waist. According to that information, it is safe to assume that Deltan males are not meant to be bald.



*This must have been swiped for the Denobulans at some point.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:59 AM   #44
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Re: Homosexuals and Deltans

When was Jedda ever called a Deltan? Outside of the novelization, of course, and we all know how authoritative those are.

The same goes for the bald crewperson on the Excelsior. She could be of any race. Doesn't have to be Deltan. She could even have been human. The only Deltan we know of is Ilia, because she is SAID to be one.
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Old October 11 2013, 06:01 AM   #45
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I dunno about this pheremone thing and it's hard to separate the novel of TMP and the film for me because they've both been in my head for 30 years. But when Ilia comes to the helm Sulu gets a bit flustered. Watching that it seems that there is something going on there perhaps beyond a gauche or "immature sexual" response by Sulu. It seems to me that she is affecting him in some way.
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