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Old October 10 2013, 10:12 AM   #796
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So how many seconds after the list is announced (which is apparently embargoed until Midnight) before certain people start demanding news on all the ones that they haven't announced? And let's face it, any denials that there are any more will hardly be believed.
Sadly, that's gonna be the case, unless they present it in such a way that it removes all doubt.

I have no idea how that would be, mind...
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Old October 10 2013, 10:24 AM   #797
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Trying to explain this to non-Whovian members of my family has been interesting. "Er, they've found the one where Pat Troughton plays his own doppelganger in a ridiculous Mexican bandit accent."
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Old October 10 2013, 12:07 PM   #798
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It's just a shame that the recovered prints will most likely be censored prints - there are no surviving censor cuts for early Hartnells like Marco Polo.
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Old October 10 2013, 12:22 PM   #799
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They still may be able to restore the cuts - they have full audios I think. Some inventive cutting and pasting and a little digital trickery with the video...
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Old October 10 2013, 12:35 PM   #800
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The other question is what state will these prints actually be in after nearly 50 years of being abandoned in Africa. The Restoration Team can work things that look like miracles but not actual miracles.
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Old October 10 2013, 12:53 PM   #801
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They still may be able to restore the cuts - they have full audios I think. Some inventive cutting and pasting and a little digital trickery with the video...
More than likely, if they want to actually restore the episodes to how they were originally edited. Besides, clips from the cut footage has survived, and arguably in better condition than the about-to-be-announced episodes that have been found, so it can be done.
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Old October 10 2013, 12:58 PM   #802
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The other question is what state will these prints actually be in after nearly 50 years of being abandoned in Africa. The Restoration Team can work things that look like miracles but not actual miracles.
You're assuming the Restoration Team will be working on them.

There are specialist professionals in the UK and the US that could work miracles that the RT could not. The question, naturally, is whether or not the BBC would pay for that level or miracle working. One advantage with the RT is that they're a bunch of fans, so they're likely to work for less than another outfit would because they want the cachet in fan circles of having "restored" Doctor Who. A professional film restorer would look at it as a job. A cool job. Quite possibly a very challenging job. But just a job, and the cachet doesn't count as money.
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Old October 10 2013, 01:04 PM   #803
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The other question is what state will these prints actually be in after nearly 50 years of being abandoned in Africa. The Restoration Team can work things that look like miracles but not actual miracles.
As long as they can scan the copy frame by frame they can work miracles - remove dirt and marks, fix tears, digitally recreate missing frames etc.

It has been done with movies - if they are that bad, the big question is will the market for them justify the huge cost of frame by frame restoration.
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Old October 10 2013, 01:10 PM   #804
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As long as they can scan the copy frame by frame they can work miracles - remove dirt and marks, fix tears, digitally recreate missing frames etc.

It has been done with movies - if they are that bad, the big question is will the market for them justify the huge cost of frame by frame restoration.
Original Series DVDs sell at most 30,000 copies and there doesn't seem to be much broadcast interest in them these days.

As Allyn said above the Restoration Team went far beyond what would have been required of them for what they were paid and if it is true that they don't exist any more after finishing "The Moonbase" & "The Underwater Menace" other people will just treat it as a job.
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Old October 10 2013, 01:55 PM   #805
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So, it's Thursday, Midnight in the UK when the announcement will be made? Seriously?!
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Old October 10 2013, 02:04 PM   #806
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If its in tomorrows papers then it will be out before then and someone will leak early, they usually do.
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Old October 10 2013, 02:15 PM   #807
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People are tweeting from the screening but they're all being annoyingly good about not saying what they're watching....
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Old October 10 2013, 02:16 PM   #808
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As long as they can scan the copy frame by frame they can work miracles - remove dirt and marks, fix tears, digitally recreate missing frames etc.

It has been done with movies - if they are that bad, the big question is will the market for them justify the huge cost of frame by frame restoration.
Original Series DVDs sell at most 30,000 copies and there doesn't seem to be much broadcast interest in them these days.

As Allyn said above the Restoration Team went far beyond what would have been required of them for what they were paid and if it is true that they don't exist any more after finishing "The Moonbase" & "The Underwater Menace" other people will just treat it as a job.
If any are really bad they would probably best leaving them until last and using some BBC archive budget to get them done as a side project or hobby project for some of the staff..
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Old October 10 2013, 02:40 PM   #809
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As i said earlier, the censor cuts from before The Savages have *not* survived so Marco Polo is out of luck.
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Old October 10 2013, 02:48 PM   #810
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Well, there's no guarantee that it's censored. And the Restoration Team is quite good at cutting/reusing other footage to cover short gaps, such as censor cuts.

The War Machines is a great example - it was returned from Nigeria, with severe censor cuts to Episodes 3 and 4. A few were available from Australia, but others have been lost. At one point, a 1-minute cut of an attack on the factory was restored from clips elsewhere in the episode (and from Blue Peter, apparently!).

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