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Old October 10 2013, 05:57 AM   #31
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

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Hulk has theoretically infinite strength.
What about this?
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Old October 10 2013, 06:00 AM   #32
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

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Fist McStrongpunch wrote: View Post
Hulk has theoretically infinite strength.
What about this?
"The madder Hulk gets. The stronger Hulk gets"-The Hulk.
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Old October 10 2013, 06:16 AM   #33
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

Readingandwilling might have been meaning that a few of us have decided that strength, even infinite strength is not enough to crack the Apocalypse egg.

The Abomination is stronger than Hulk at his starting levels. The Abomination has to knock Hulk out before Hulk gets stronger than he is. It was always a ticking clock in their fights until the Grey Hulk came along who was SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than the Green Hulk and Abomination finally scored a win.

Byrne in the 80s hypothesized that the Hulk draws mass from an alternative dimension when he changes from Banner to Hulk, and continues drawing more energy (and mass) continuously from that dimension to continuously become a yet stronger Hulk.

Peter David in the 90s however said that Hulk was a metamorph. That Banner to Hulk, and then Hulk to yet stronger hulk was just "shapechanging" controlled by his internal psychoisis. He also suggesteed that if Hulk could actually work out how to nomically controll his metamorphic abilities he'd also have a power set similar to Mystique and not have to worry about the alternate personalities triggering external changes.
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Old October 10 2013, 06:53 AM   #34
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

But what is Hulk going to do to Apocalypse, hit him harder? If Apocalypse saw some brute strength creature coming toward him, he would morph himself into something similar to Captain America's shield. I don't think Hulk could win simply by getting stronger. Apocalypse turned himself into adamantium once to stop Wolverine from cutting him, though Hulk did bend adamantium once, but I think a proficient chemist like Apocalypse is aware of vibranium. He also has the patients to deal with the Hulk, he sleeps for thousands of years.

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Old October 10 2013, 07:29 AM   #35
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

Wikipedia doesn't say that Apocalypse can fiddle with his elemental composition.

And if he can, it's not how he fights.

And regardless, I'm struggling to remember when was the last time he fought bare fistedly since the 80s.

That's why he has minions.

Too be above the common muck.

Although there is a lot of X-Men I haven't read in the last 5 years because most of the books have turned to shit.

What no one here has taken into effect so far is that Apocalypse is dead.

Arc Angel killed him.

However somehow there's a teenager at the Jean Grey School (Referred to as both Genesis and Kid-Apocalypse.) walking around with Apocalypses powerset and blank slate in his head who is obviously Apocalypse brainwiped and youthified.

(Arcangel lost his memories too. There's obviously a connection between these two events which is public knowledge that I would be aware of if I could commit to poorly written doss.)

So?

Can the Hulk win a fight against a dead guy?

(Or a child?)
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Old October 10 2013, 01:39 PM   #36
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I was unaware of Apocalypse's (current) death, and was basing my statements on Apocalypse during his Age of Apocalypse saga.
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Old October 10 2013, 06:16 PM   #37
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

You how when someone grounded in reality like especially a woman or an older relative says "You're living in the past"? Well, I am neither and "You're living in the past".

Genesis is an Apocalypse Clone raised by Phantomx to kill Apocalypse.

http://www.comicvine.com/genesis/4005-81538/

Archangel didn't kill Apocalypse, my bad. My memory got messed up by the Apocalypse twins talking about Warren killing their father, when really he (Warren) was their father and they were probably referring to his mindwipe.

Apocalypse committed suicide (briefly) in July 2006 before he had to pay up to the celestials for using their tech for the last 5000 years, but then the Celstials brought him back and dragged him up to space to work off his debt. (His ship, the massive ship from classic X-Factor was/is a Celestial palm pilot. No shit. It's their version of a tricordor.) So, not dead. But off planet and never coming back.
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Old October 11 2013, 12:41 AM   #38
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

What issues did Apocalypse "die" in? I never saw those.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:36 AM   #39
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Re: X-Men Question: Apocalypse Versus The Hulk?

X-Men vol. 2, #186 'The Blood of Apocalypse' part 5.

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Men_Vol_2_186

It feels kinda shitty to know this from research 10 minutes ago rather than reading everything that had every had ever been written and remembering.
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