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Old October 8 2013, 09:10 PM   #16
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In the original miniseries, Tricia Helfer exercises supernatural powers to murder a baby, for some unknown reason, an a dense crowd, yet get away with it.
Wow, the only inference I drew from that scene, particularly at that very early, embryonic stage of the show, was "evil cylon" snaps baby's neck - with, presumably, genectically enhanced cylon strength.

I'm probably being really thick, and not picking up on subtle clues, but how the heck do you interpret that action as a power of the supernatural? I guess it may not have been a neck snapping, and if not, I've definitely got it completely wrong?
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Old October 9 2013, 01:19 PM   #17
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Rambling monkey jibberish leading up to a deus ex machina "God did it!" ending that has killed the show's reputation.
To be honest, I never quite got the "god did it" argument. What exactly did he do? There were two angels - Head Six an Head Baltar. They tried to prepare Six and Baltar for parenthood (Hera), a storyline that was ultimately droped in the last minute, because the actors of Helo and Sharon did not want to see their characters die. That's a bit lame, but I can live with it.

And there were the coordinates to earth which led to a very cool scene.

And, oh yeah, the asteroid that hit Racetracks raptor at the right moment. Okay, that's... over the top, but not that big deal.

The characters still had free will. It's not as if the face of a white-bearded man appeared in the CIC and said: "This Battlestar of yours, could it carry my wisdom beyond the barrier?"
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Old October 9 2013, 05:52 PM   #18
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And there were the coordinates to earth which led to a very cool scene.
That's a pretty big example of "God did it!" The whole series has been about the search for Earth and when they finally did, it was by coordinates magically given to someone earlier in life. Starbuck may have typed in the notes, but the clear implication of the episode is that was God's doing and all the suffering and pain that happened was so he could get them to this point where they could find our Earth and he could repeat the cycle of suffering all over again.

The central dilemma of the series was solved by... God. "God did it!" is an entirely fair accusation to make about finale.
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Old October 9 2013, 06:04 PM   #19
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And there were the coordinates to earth which led to a very cool scene.
That's a pretty big example of "God did it!" The whole series has been about the search for Earth and when they finally did, it was by coordinates magically given to someone earlier in life. Starbuck may have typed in the notes, but the clear implication of the episode is that was God's doing and all the suffering and pain that happened was so he could get them to this point where they could find our Earth and he could repeat the cycle of suffering all over again.

The central dilemma of the series was solved by... God. "God did it!" is an entirely fair accusation to make about finale.
Sure, but who cares?

In a finale where Roslin and Adama share a poignant and heartbreaking final moment, who seriously gives a toss about the machinations of the plot? BSG always subordinated plot consistency for character development and that mindset served it quite well.

In any event, the show remains one of the best of the last decade and probably the best scifi to grace the small screen. Its reputation is quite secure.
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Old October 9 2013, 06:15 PM   #20
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That's a pretty big example of "God did it!" The whole series has been about the search for Earth and when they finally did, it was by coordinates magically given to someone earlier in life.
Fair enough. Still, I don't think it's a big deal. If they had shot the scene a little different with Starbuck randomly typing in a few coordinates, getting just lucky, it would not have changed a thing.

They found Kobol... by accident. They found New Caprica... by accident. Most of the characters propably think, that they found earth by accident as well.

I'm an atheist myself and usually, I can't stand the elements of Gods or something in tv shows (Lost, I'm looking at you), but I think the writers of NBSG handled it really well. It was mostly subtle. The Starbuck-Angel thing is hard to swallow, but it doesnt ruin the show for me.
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Old October 9 2013, 06:18 PM   #21
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And there were the coordinates to earth which led to a very cool scene.
That's a pretty big example of "God did it!" The whole series has been about the search for Earth and when they finally did, it was by coordinates magically given to someone earlier in life. Starbuck may have typed in the notes, but the clear implication of the episode is that was God's doing and all the suffering and pain that happened was so he could get them to this point where they could find our Earth and he could repeat the cycle of suffering all over again.

The central dilemma of the series was solved by... God. "God did it!" is an entirely fair accusation to make about finale.
Sure, but who cares?
I do.

In a finale where Roslin and Adama share a poignant and heartbreaking final moment, who seriously gives a toss about the machinations of the plot?
I do.

In any event, the show remains one of the best of the last decade and probably the best scifi to grace the small screen.
Nah, that'd be Star Trek: The Original Series.
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Old October 9 2013, 06:21 PM   #22
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who seriously gives a toss about the machinations of the plot?
Wow. Uh.. people who value storytelling on any level?

Its reputation is quite secure.
Its reputation has been pretty severely trashed by the lackluster response to the finale, TV movies and Caprica.

And I actually liked Caprica.
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Old October 9 2013, 06:59 PM   #23
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who seriously gives a toss about the machinations of the plot?
Wow. Uh.. people who value storytelling on any level?

Its reputation is quite secure.
Its reputation has been pretty severely trashed by the lackluster response to the finale, TV movies and Caprica.

And I actually liked Caprica.
I value storytelling quite a bit. BSG told a very compelling story about a group of people who faced insurmountable odds. The larger story about prophecies and god-like alien manipulators was less compelling, but safely relegated to the background.

As for the 'lackluster' response to the finale, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

http://io9.com/5178522/as-battlestar...in-the-details
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/...asp?TVID=10956
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2009/03/3...-review?page=2
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/t...ica-television
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2009/03/2...-review?page=2
http://www.jammersreviews.com/bsg/s4/daybreak2.php

There were elements of the finale that didn't work and it proved quite divisive, but it was anything but lackluster. BSG went out much as it arrived: middle finger firmly extended as RDM told the story he wanted to tell. Like it or lump it, it was his vision.

To paraphrase RDM, you gotta be tough enough for BSG.
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Old October 9 2013, 08:08 PM   #24
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Well, in the fandom circles I hang around in the NuBSG and Lost finales are the ones most frequently bought up as disappointing cop-outs. This thread kinda proves that this is a fairly common view. If you want a finale that most people like, then look to Breaking Bad, Babylon 5 or Ashes to Ashes. Thoughts on NuBSG's finale are mixed at best.
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Old October 9 2013, 08:24 PM   #25
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The problem with finalÚ's is that there is a danger that no matter what you do you could annoy a portion of your fanbase.

"Ashes to Ashes" has been mentioned which in the UK aired the same week as Lost's finalÚ did. Ashes to Ashes was the better final episode, but then again when you have two shows which end with a similiar theme for the end, the one you watch second might seem slighlty dissapointing.
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