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View Poll Results: Toughest Star Trek Species
Tin Man 0 0%
The Douwd 6 18.75%
The Kelvan 0 0%
The Prophets/Wormhole Aliens 4 12.50%
The Pah-wraiths 0 0%
Species 8472 4 12.50%
The Borg 1 3.13%
The Hirogen 2 6.25%
Remans 1 3.13%
Caretakers 0 0%
Founders 5 15.63%
Humans 9 28.13%
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Old October 7 2013, 11:59 PM   #16
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Re: Toughest Star Trek Species

In terms of tangible species, I'd say Yarnek and the Excalbians. Tough like the Horta, but also capable of mental powers like some of the above species.

The only thing else I can imagine that comes close (non-Trek) is the Cheela
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Old October 8 2013, 01:34 AM   #17
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One single Dowd wiped out an entire civilization all by himself, evidently in little or no time, without the use of any technology whatsoever.
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Old October 8 2013, 06:18 AM   #18
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He was devastated by the death of a single woman. Incredible abilities yes, but not so tough.

Guess it depends on what you mean by the word "tough."

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Old October 8 2013, 09:15 AM   #19
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Re: Toughest Star Trek Species

i voted remans purely because it seems like a really inexplicable choice to put in this poll
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Old October 8 2013, 09:55 AM   #20
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Going by that list:

Tin Man - The last of its kind, wandering the galaxy with Tam. Not much of a force to be reckoned with though able to defend itself when needed.

The Douwd - Were interested in peace above all else, grief and anger caused one individual to take action. I doubt they'd be interested in battling anyone though.

The Kelvan - Able to travel across galaxies, so they would probably be a force to be reckoned with--if they wanted to fight that is.

The Prophets - Totally uninterested in affairs outside of their realm--only took action after being pestered by The Sisko.

The Pah-Wraiths - Only interested in revenge against the Prophets.

Species 8472 - They seemed trapped back in fluidic space. It they weren't they would've attacked by now.

The Borg - VOY destroyed them as being a threat, since one solitary ship could defeat them on multiple occassions.

The Hirogen - Nomads, no collective force except for the occassional hunt. Not interested in battle just hunting.

Remans - Their only focus would be against the Romulans, not anyone else.

Caretakers - No clue where they are. Again able to cross galaxies and very advanced, but not much interest in conflict (from what we saw).

Founders - Created the Dominion. Nuff said really.

Humans - Kinda feeble without the rest of the Federation.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:30 PM   #21
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Humans - Most resiliant and have gone up against all of the above. Despite not being godlike, technically/genetically enhanced, or physically stronger (like the Hirogen), humans never seem to back down when they think they are in the right or have something to defend. Toughness isn't about bullying people with your superior power, it is about how you react when you are pushed beyond your limits.
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Old October 8 2013, 04:02 PM   #22
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Whichever one the writers need to be stronger.
Well, that's it in a nutshell. So, I voted for Humans since the writers are all human, the species has the home-field advantage.
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Old October 9 2013, 12:55 AM   #23
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Humans have their moment but they lack in strength when it comes to big battles. At Wolf 359 they were massacred and they wouldn't have taken back DS9 without the Sisko. In most situations it came down to our hero ships and we've seen the destruction of those ships (other than miracle Janeway). In a full scale war, without alliances, I don't think Starfleet would make it.
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Old October 9 2013, 02:07 AM   #24
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Humans have their moment but they lack in strength when it comes to big battles. At Wolf 359 they were massacred and they wouldn't have taken back DS9 without the Sisko. In most situations it came down to our hero ships and we've seen the destruction of those ships (other than miracle Janeway). In a full scale war, without alliances, I don't think Starfleet would make it.
This analogy somewhat confuses power or might with toughness. If I challenge a ten year old kid to a fight and win then I would not be considered tough. I would be considered a bully. If that ten year old kept getting back up and kept coming at me no matter how many times I knocked him down then I would consider him tough. See what I mean?

Starfleet has continuously stuck around in battles against horrible odds and even no win situations. That shows more toughness then a bunch of mindless drones scooping out planets from orbit or some supernatural entity screwing around with "mortals."
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Old October 9 2013, 04:15 AM   #25
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^I guess perseverance counts as toughness though without Janeway, a species like 8472 would ultimately crush that perseverance.
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Old October 9 2013, 05:08 AM   #26
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On paper the Borg should be the toughest race in the galaxy right? Hundreds of species, thousands of planets, all that knowledge via assimilation. They should be unstoppable but they've been used so many times the Borg have ceased to be interesting.
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Old October 9 2013, 07:24 AM   #27
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I voted for the Founders. As a species themselves they are a very serious threat, but the fact they have ultimate control over the Dominion makes them probably the toughest race on the list.

That being said, if the Federation had been listed (instead of just Humans) I might have been inclined to have gone for them--after all Starfleet does always manage to defeat the big bad just in the nick of time.
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Old October 9 2013, 08:27 AM   #28
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Unless you are braising, it has to be the Ferengi.

Oh, wait. You mean in combat...
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Old October 9 2013, 08:31 AM   #29
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The douwd.
One has no problem surviving the nuclear annihilation of his home colony. He has no problem single-handedly eliminating an entire highly aggressive species. He has no weaknesses, as far as we can tell.

The pah-wraiths/prophets are vulnerable to chroniton radiation and to dusty bajoran religious books.

The other aliens in this poll are utterly pathetic by comparison to the above heavy-weights.
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Old October 9 2013, 10:24 AM   #30
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On paper the Borg should be the toughest race in the galaxy right? Hundreds of species, thousands of planets, all that knowledge via assimilation. They should be unstoppable but they've been used so many times the Borg have ceased to be interesting.
Strong yes, but not what I would call "tough."

A Borg drone is like watching someone who is drugged up stumbling into a fight, not an example of toughness.
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