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Old October 7 2013, 10:20 PM   #31
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

In TSFS, a Starfleet Officer mentioned the city Lenningrad. I'd be curious to hear how the name changed back. Although in my mind the city was actually spelled Lennongrad, because Liverpool changed it's name in honor of the Beatles. If that's the case I want to know where Ringotown is located.
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Old October 7 2013, 11:08 PM   #32
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

More Evidence the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century:

The SS Tsiolkovsky.


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Old October 8 2013, 02:04 AM   #33
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

I've always felt that Trek took place in an alternate universe starting back somewhere before the 1960s and that in the Trek universe, the USSR never collapsed. I would assume that they were a member of the Allies against the "Eastern Coalition" during WWIII as well.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:13 AM   #34
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

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More Evidence the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century:

The SS Tsiolkovsky.

By that reasoning, the Lakota nation must likewise exist: USS Crazy Horse,USS Lakota

Likewise, the Byzantine Empire must exist: USS Constantinople
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Old October 8 2013, 02:26 AM   #35
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

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In TSFS, a Starfleet Officer mentioned the city Lenningrad. I'd be curious to hear how the name changed back. Although in my mind the city was actually spelled Lennongrad, because Liverpool changed it's name in honor of the Beatles. If that's the case I want to know where Ringotown is located.
It's been speculated that the officer could be referring to Leningrad Oblast.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:44 AM   #36
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More Evidence the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century:

The SS Tsiolkovsky.

By that reasoning, the Lakota nation must likewise exist: USS Crazy Horse,USS Lakota

Likewise, the Byzantine Empire must exist: USS Constantinople
Um... huge difference in naming a ship after something and a plaque that says a ship was built in the USSR.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:02 AM   #37
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

Why wouldn't countries like the US and UK still exist even in Trek's time? They're simply subdivisions of the larger whole: United Earth.

And United Earth did not cease to exist when the Federation was born (it's simply a Federation member world), so there's no reason it should happen here either. As UE is a member of the Federation, so are the US and UK and other countries members of UE.
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Old October 8 2013, 04:04 AM   #38
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Why wouldn't countries like the US and UK still exist even in Trek's time? They're simply subdivisions of the larger whole: United Earth.
Sure, they could exist, but as what? Nation-states? Administrative territories? What kind of projects can they pursue? What laws can they make? Saying something simply exists is weak. A better question might be what became of the US after unification, and would be it recognizable to people today?

More Evidence the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century:

The SS Tsiolkovsky.
Isn't that a novelty gift from the Tsiolkovsky Museum? I believe you can see it there now.
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Old October 8 2013, 04:31 AM   #39
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Why wouldn't countries like the US and UK still exist even in Trek's time? They're simply subdivisions of the larger whole: United Earth.
Sure, they could exist, but as what? Nation-states? Administrative territories?
Probably nation-states, same as before. I'm sure they send representatives to the United Earth parliament, and have to abide by UE rules, but still exist nonetheless. Just like Federation member worlds are separate entities, but report to the Federation government.
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Old October 8 2013, 06:08 AM   #40
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In TSFS, a Starfleet Officer mentioned the city Lenningrad.
Chekov also made reference to a Leningrad. The way things are going in Russia today perhaps they changed the city's name from Saint Petersburg back to Leningrad again.

Leningrad was also mentioned in the movie The Voyage Home.

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By that reasoning, the Lakota nation must likewise exist: USS Crazy Horse, USS Lakota. Likewise, the Byzantine Empire must exist: USS Constantinople
Yes those ships exist, but where were they built?

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Old October 8 2013, 09:41 AM   #41
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To steal an idea from "Jericho". After WW3 and the destruction of the commercial and political centers of the East Coast. And California is expelled for ...just being 'weird'. The new government that formed was the United States of Texas.
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Old October 8 2013, 09:52 AM   #42
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Although the "United Earth" insignia we saw in the TOS pilot episodes was not a reproduction of the United Nations but exclusively the United Americas.
I don't recall that logo. Do you have a link to it?
Yes, here we have a screencap of Dr. Boyce from "The Cage" whose overall bears the United Earth insignia.

The same applies for the transporter room operators.

The overalls of crew members in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (alternate edit!) still displayed the UE insignia.

In this episode Gary Mitchell was wearing a shirt that also had the laurels of the original UE insignia but instead of the UE displayed a futuristic Rod of Asclepius.

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Old October 8 2013, 06:32 PM   #43
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There was also a logo on the water glass that Mitchell moved under a tap, and then flew through the air to his hand.

In the Cage pilot, when the Talosian went through the Enterprise computers, the was a polar projection map of Earth on display with political bounderies.

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Old October 8 2013, 06:39 PM   #44
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More Evidence the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century:

The SS Tsiolkovsky.

By that reasoning, the Lakota nation must likewise exist: USS Crazy Horse,USS Lakota

Likewise, the Byzantine Empire must exist: USS Constantinople
Um... huge difference in naming a ship after something and a plaque that says a ship was built in the USSR.
Ah, your image doesn't show up for me. I get a hotlink 404 error
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Old October 9 2013, 03:24 AM   #45
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I'm not sure if it's significant, but I always wondered about the implications of Spock's line from Spectre of the Gun: "The names were known in the annals of the opening of the western sector of America. The United States of America, that is."
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