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View Poll Results: Did you like the Spock Prime scene?
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Old October 7 2013, 04:38 PM   #46
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Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?

She also made a painting of him in a turban and he didn't object to it. And he ruled over Asia and the Middle East. And his name is Khan Noonien Singh. So Khan was pretty much from India for all intents and purposes.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:04 PM   #47
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Khan was trying to seduce her, nitpicking her painting probably wouldn't have helped. Plus, that he didn't immediately put on a turban once revived is another big hit against him being Sikh.

He may have been Indian, or engineered in India or perhaps just ruled there, but he still can't be Sikh or recognized as one because he breaks too many fundamental rules. IMO the best way to deal with it is to simply say Marla was he worst historian in the Federation.

Plus, I can't imagine Khan (either version) believing in any higher power above himself.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:20 PM   #48
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I always love seeing Nimoy on screen.
The more the better.
And I think Spock Prime should be helping them more eg giant amoeba thingy, Deneva, Romulus, the whales, the 3 Earth probes. He could save billions. Sort of make up for Vulcan.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:37 PM   #49
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She also made a painting of him in a turban and he didn't object to it. And he ruled over Asia and the Middle East. And his name is Khan Noonien Singh. So Khan was pretty much from India for all intents and purposes.
As a surname, Khan is not used by Sikhs, but Singh is a very common male surname. Khan would also be a very odd first name for a Sikh because there is no cultural attachment to it. As a title, the origin of Khan is Mongolian, and later it was used in Persia and it's used now among the Pashtuns. It is also a very common non-Sikh surname in Indo-Asia.

Since I can't imagine the writers of "Space Seed" being so deliberately ignorant or lazy of cultural differences in their choice of essentially a mixed name for the character, I think the choice of his name was meant to leave Khan's ethnicity open to question.

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Khan was trying to seduce her, nitpicking her painting probably wouldn't have helped. Plus, that he didn't immediately put on a turban once revived is another big hit against him being Sikh.

He may have been Indian, or engineered in India or perhaps just ruled there, but he still can't be Sikh or recognized as one because he breaks too many fundamental rules. IMO the best way to deal with it is to simply say Marla was he worst historian in the Federation.

Plus, I can't imagine Khan (either version) believing in any higher power above himself.
Agreed on all accounts.
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Old October 8 2013, 12:17 AM   #50
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The Umbrella Corporation wrote: View Post
I always love seeing Nimoy on screen.
The more the better.
And I think Spock Prime should be helping them more eg giant amoeba thingy, Deneva, Romulus, the whales, the 3 Earth probes. He could save billions. Sort of make up for Vulcan.
Yes, when the name of the game is giving the audience what it wants, yes. Nimoy's surprise cameo in STID was a bonus, a feel good moment for fans old and new. As for what we did and didn't see on screen in terms of what was said, I believe much more was said AFTER the scene ended. There's no way any officer would leave a conversation of that importance that vague.

Not sure I'm with you on the help on other missions and crises. Remember Nimoy's line from 09, something to the effect, of "I could not deprive you of all you would discover together, of a friendship which will define you both". He won't help them through every crisis any more than he didn't beam onto Enterprise and tell nuSpock to give nuKirk command. Plot short circuits aside, Spock Prime just can't be the crutch through every problem the nuCrew faces. There's no growth there.
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Old October 8 2013, 08:26 PM   #51
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Did you think it was clever or did you think it was cheesy? Did it add to the film or did it completely take you out of it? Just a basic survey.
Did I enjoy the scene? Yes
Was I surprised to see it? Yes
Do I think the movie would've been fine without it? Yes
Did it take me out of the movie? No
Did I think Spock had a good send-off in the last movie (esp. with the narration of the original opening words)? Yes
Do I expect to see Nimoy in the next one? No
Do I think Nimoy and most everyone else involved liked the scene? Yes, esp. since I remember an interview where Nimoy said he didn't think he gave his best performance in his final scene with Quinto in the '09 film.

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Pure fan service. Would the writers have written a scene in which he contacts Prime-Spock about a bad guy called Nebulon or somthing?
Quinto's Spock may very well have contacted Nimoy's Spock about Nebulon in-universe, but since Prime Spock would have no info we (the audience) would not see that interaction as it would not be relevant.
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Old October 8 2013, 09:35 PM   #52
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^Well-said.
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Old October 8 2013, 10:26 PM   #53
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Pure fan service. Would the writers have written a scene in which he contacts Prime-Spock about a bad guy called Nebulon or somthing?
Quinto's Spock may very well have contacted Nimoy's Spock about Nebulon in-universe, but since Prime Spock would have no info we (the audience) would not see that interaction as it would not be relevant.
Well, he probably wouldn't bother Spock Prime about every little thing, because as large as the galaxy is, the chances they shared exactly the same experiences and met all the same people is very small.
Yet, Spock must have in mind the theory alluded to in ST09 that life events in both universes are as similar as each will allow given their differences. (The same paths keep crossing -- certain people are destined to be thrown together.) Therefore, Spock may have believed that in a case involving a threat as big as Khan, there would be a fair probability that Spock Prime and Kirk Prime came across him somehow, and were equally if not similarly imperiled. So, why not take a chance and pick Spock Prime's brain about what they did?
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Old October 8 2013, 11:38 PM   #54
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Khan was trying to seduce her, nitpicking her painting probably wouldn't have helped.
Ha! I can just imagine him saying, "The coloring is all wrong. Did you study painting through a correspondence course? Was your teacher a blind person? Did you paint this and then let your pet guinea pig pee all over it?

"Now, pleasure me..."

Leonard Nimoy scene? LOVED IT!
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Old October 9 2013, 01:32 AM   #55
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Old October 10 2013, 12:27 AM   #56
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Khan was trying to seduce her, nitpicking her painting probably wouldn't have helped.
Ha! I can just imagine him saying, "The coloring is all wrong. Did you study painting through a correspondence course? Was your teacher a blind person? Did you paint this and then let your pet guinea pig pee all over it?

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Old October 10 2013, 12:58 AM   #57
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It made me smile.
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Old October 10 2013, 01:50 AM   #58
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Loved the scene. As far as I am concerned old Spock can be in the next movie too.
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Old October 10 2013, 02:21 AM   #59
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Nice harmless scene that was kind of just...there. Seeing Nimoy at this age still contributing to the Star Trek universe was a nice gesture which I appreciate.
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austen_pierce wrote: View Post
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I always love seeing Nimoy on screen.
The more the better.
And I think Spock Prime should be helping them more eg giant amoeba thingy, Deneva, Romulus, the whales, the 3 Earth probes. He could save billions. Sort of make up for Vulcan.
Yes, when the name of the game is giving the audience what it wants, yes. Nimoy's surprise cameo in STID was a bonus, a feel good moment for fans old and new. As for what we did and didn't see on screen in terms of what was said, I believe much more was said AFTER the scene ended. There's no way any officer would leave a conversation of that importance that vague.

Not sure I'm with you on the help on other missions and crises. Remember Nimoy's line from 09, something to the effect, of "I could not deprive you of all you would discover together, of a friendship which will define you both". He won't help them through every crisis any more than he didn't beam onto Enterprise and tell nuSpock to give nuKirk command. Plot short circuits aside, Spock Prime just can't be the crutch through every problem the nuCrew faces. There's no growth there.
In the movie universe you wouldn't want the nucrew just going around fixing problems following instructions from PrimeSpock everytime. It wouldn't be very interesting.

The nuCrew would look like amazing superheroes though.

If I were PrimeSpock I would consider saving those civilisations destroyed by the Denevian parasites before they got to Deneva or those the giant amoeba thingy destroyed. Maybe PrimeSpock could send an anonymous letter to Starfleet Command outlining the major genocides. nuEnterprise doesn't need to be involved and probably won't because they headed out years earlier than in the PrimeUniverse
Really not saving billions because you want to have the nuUniverse guys to have fun seems sort of selfish.
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