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Old October 6 2013, 02:00 AM   #106
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Re: NuTrek references in the novels

Would it have been called "Spock's Brawn"?

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Old October 6 2013, 09:44 AM   #107
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Would it have been called "Spock's Brawn"?

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I was always hoping Greg (or someone) would write "McCoy's Liver," myself...
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Old October 6 2013, 06:11 PM   #108
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Would it have been called "Spock's Brawn"?

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Old October 7 2013, 04:26 AM   #109
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As for people trying to convince me... of course they are. Why else are they defending this stuff?
No we aren't. But we don't want someone coming to the boards and thinking that someone like you represents the average Star Trek fan.
Just outta curiosity... what is the "average Star Trek fan"? Because I see a *lot* of diversity in fandom, here and elsewhere.
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Old October 7 2013, 04:33 AM   #110
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I think it's safe to say the average Star Trek fan probably isn't going to adopt Timewalker's IMO somewhat radical approach to selecting reading material.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:16 AM   #111
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Seems like a excessive amount of thought / work to put into it.

I don't think anyone is trying to convince to like the new movies.
Luckily, I have the right to choose how much thought/work to put into liking/not liking something, or reading/viewing something in order to know what I'm talking about when I talk about it.

As for people trying to convince me... of course they are. Why else are they defending this stuff?
Did I say you didn't? No, I didn't. I was saying from my POV, that, if you really do that, then I think it's excessive.

No one is trying to convince you of anything. They're talking about a movie they happen to like and addressing the point of the thread: whether or not Nu-Trek references are a bad thing in the novels.

Posting on a messageboard is sort of a two way conversation.
Uh-huh. And I'm talking about the same movie, which I happen to hate, and addressing the point of the thread: whether or not nuTrek references are a bad thing in the novels. You think they're good, and I think they're bad - unless, of course, the novel is specifically a nuTrek novel, and in that case it makes sense to reference the nuTrek movies.

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As for people trying to convince me... of course they are. Why else are they defending this stuff?
No we aren't. But we don't want someone coming to the boards and thinking that someone like you represents the average Star Trek fan.
Likewise. You think I want someone coming here and thinking EVERYONE thinks the nuTrek drivel is actually good?

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But ST09 canonized them. (cue angelic choir)
Which means they are retroactively part of the contamination
I keep going back to this: The character backstories from the new movies isn't created from vapor, it's always been there in the novels. This is just the first time writers have given enough of a damn to use it, rather than snub it.
I guess it's ironic that the one of the filmmakers is a fan of the novels and used elements from them, yet there are people who hate the idea of elements from the film making their way into the novels
If elements from nuTrek movies make it into nuTrek novels, I don't see a problem. It's when they make it into the other novels - which are set in a completely different universe - that's a problem.

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TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, plus the TOS movies 1-4, and 6. Add in the assorted novels, short stories, and fanfic based on these. I don't accept Star Trek V as "real" due to the nonsense of Sybok being the offspring of Sarek and a Vulcan "princess." I've already stated my reasons for not accepting Enterprise. I have a love/hate of First Contact - love, because the music is great, and I really like the character of Lily. Hate, because they butchered the character of Zefram Cochrane. I can't stand the rest of the TNG movies (yes, I've seen all of them).
So how can you stand reading the books with all of the constant references to stuff you don't like? Pretty much every TNG book since Nemesis came out has followed up on it. Then there's Vanguard, which has a major plot line in the last few books that's a prequel to The Final Frontier.
Considering that I haven't read any of the TNG books since Nemesis, I haven't encountered these references. Yes, I'm many years behind in my novel reading, with the exception of a couple of TOS trilogies (which are still several years old). When I do get around to reading them, I'll come back here and rant about it.

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I think it's safe to say the average Star Trek fan probably isn't going to adopt Timewalker's IMO somewhat radical approach to selecting reading material.
I think it's safe to say that the average Star Trek fan can make up his/her own mind as to what books to read, in what order, and if they like/dislike them.

It's not "radical" to select reading material based on personal preference, btw. I used to read Isaac Asimov essay collections for fun - when I was 12. You think I choose my reading material based on peer pressure/public ridicule on a message board?
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Old October 7 2013, 05:34 AM   #112
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Re: NuTrek references in the novels

Read whatever you want to read, but don't get snippy at me please. I wasn't offering an opinion on your choice beyond that I don't think the average Trek fan would make the same choice.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:50 AM   #113
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Read whatever you want to read, but don't get snippy at me please. I wasn't offering an opinion on your choice beyond that I don't think the average Trek fan would make the same choice.
You're the one who got "snippy" with the use of the word "radical" (like the way I choose my reading material is somehow wrong).
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Old October 7 2013, 06:32 AM   #114
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Radical doesn't inherently mean wrong.
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Old October 7 2013, 03:09 PM   #115
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Just outta curiosity... what is the "average Star Trek fan"? Because I see a *lot* of diversity in fandom, here and elsewhere.
The average Star Trek fan is the one who doesn't take this stuff so seriously that they want warning labels on the cover of novels warning them that the novel contains "nuTrek" references.

Maybe we should demand warning labels on all Trek novels that reference other parts of the franchise? That way I can steer clear of all TOS novels that might have a line or two referencing Enterprise.

I think the idea is ludicrous and anyone suggesting it may not have a firm grip on reality.
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Old October 7 2013, 04:38 PM   #116
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Just outta curiosity... what is the "average Star Trek fan"? Because I see a *lot* of diversity in fandom, here and elsewhere.
The average Star Trek fan is the one who doesn't take this stuff so seriously that they want warning labels on the cover of novels warning them that the novel contains "nuTrek" references.

Maybe we should demand warning labels on all Trek novels that reference other parts of the franchise? That way I can steer clear of all TOS novels that might have a line or two referencing Enterprise.

I think the idea is ludicrous and anyone suggesting it may not have a firm grip on reality.
Hi-C fruit juice approach: "This novel made with 10% real Star Trek!*"
* "Not a significant portion of the recommend daily True Fan intact of Real Star Trek".

We're getting a prime example in this thread why Orci finally, after 4 years of bullshit like this, told online fandom what he really thought of them.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:15 PM   #117
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WARNING: This novel produced in an office that may contain traces of NuTrek. If you are sensitive to NuTrek or NuTrek byproducts, please consult a physician before reading this novel.
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Old October 7 2013, 05:19 PM   #118
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Warning: There's a chance that the author of this book may have, at some point in the last 5 years, possibly, very briefly, might have, could have, seen two seconds of a thirty second TV commercial for Nu-Trek while flipping channels at 3am. If allergic to Nu-Trek please report to the nearest Real Fan support center for treatment.
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Old October 7 2013, 06:14 PM   #119
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Just outta curiosity... what is the "average Star Trek fan"? Because I see a *lot* of diversity in fandom, here and elsewhere.
The average Star Trek fan is the one who doesn't take this stuff so seriously that they want warning labels on the cover of novels warning them that the novel contains "nuTrek" references.

Maybe we should demand warning labels on all Trek novels that reference other parts of the franchise? That way I can steer clear of all TOS novels that might have a line or two referencing Enterprise.

I think the idea is ludicrous and anyone suggesting it may not have a firm grip on reality.
Remember the days when non-fans thought average Star Trek fans were people who always ran around wearing costumes, Spock ears, and waved phasers or flashed Vulcan salutes?

No? Maybe it takes an "old woman" to remember that, and that we were not thought of as people who could have a civil conversation. I haven't seen much civil conversation in this thread lately.

Well, then maybe you should all go back to the Neutral Zone where you are apparently allowed to flame me incessantly and speculate on my RL politics, mental health, and where the moderators feel free to join in.


BTW, it was Greg Cox who suggested the warning labels. I'm not aware that he has a problem grasping reality.

And the rest of you are apparently incapable of grasping sarcasm.
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I haven't seen much civil conversation in this thread lately.
And of course, non of that is actually down to you is it? It's everyone else replying to you.
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