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Old October 4 2013, 05:21 PM   #31
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Re: V'Ger 6 + "more than three hundred years"

^I just went over the transcript of the movie, and the number 15 shows up several times. The second line in the movie is "Leaving Sector Fourteen for Sector Fifteen," in the simulator scene with Kirk watching. Then, just after Spock gives Kirk the book, a PA voice pages Spock to say his shuttle leaves in 15 minutes. There's a "Fifteen seconds" uttered by a computer countdown during the prefix code scene. And before Kirk beams down to Regula I, Saavik advises him that General Order 15 requires an armed escort. So maybe he just had the number 15 on the brain and misspoke? (Certainly the screenwriters seems to have the number 15 on the brain.)
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Old October 4 2013, 06:51 PM   #32
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If it was down to numbers on the brain it's lucky WoK wasn't being made by the later Trek producers then, or Khan would have been down there for 47 years...

As far as V'Ger goes, though the intent of the "What they used to call a black hole" is presumably that they don't call them that by Decker's time (not entirely an unreasonable guess as it was, IIRC, still a fairly newish term at the time), I personally like to think he just means the specific thing the probe fell into was something humans at one point thought was a black hole, but actually turned out to be something else entirely and was subsequently renamed (the "Black Star" theory mentioned above would actually fit this pretty well). The same way someone might describe Pluto as "What they used to call a planet".

As with most continuity fixes, there's a bit of fudging there but is manages to explain both its strange flinging-things-across-the-Universe (rather than, say, crushing them to death) behaviour and the fact black hole continues to be used as a name for, well, black holes in all subsequent Trek.

EDIT: Though thinking about it, Decker does seem to have a funny thing for strange phrases no one else uses. I think he's the only person to ever say "Star Hour" as well, perhaps it's just the case he's stopped calling them black holes and everyone ignores him no matter how much he insists his name of "SPACE hole" is better?
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Old October 4 2013, 07:32 PM   #33
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I always liked "collapsar" (short for "collapsed star," used in '70s SF by Niven and Haldeman) as an alternate term for black holes -- it sounds classier.
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Old October 4 2013, 08:03 PM   #34
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. . .do you remember when Venera 7 became the first probe to land on Venus?
My first impulse was to say 1962, but then I looked it up and it was 1970. Though my dad died in 1970, so that sort of overshadowed everything else.
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Old October 6 2013, 02:08 AM   #35
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However, more precise numbers given by characters with a definite point to prove are less easy to ignore - why would Khan say "15 years" if he could say "16" or "18" or "20"?
15 is still rounding off. Not mathematically, but in every day speech. The Phantom Menace came out 15 years ago. It's technically only 14, but people will say 15.
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