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Old October 5 2013, 04:24 PM   #46
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If Shelby became first officer, how long before she tells Picard he's in her way and that he plays it too safe?
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Old October 5 2013, 04:54 PM   #47
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If Shelby became first officer, how long before she tells Picard he's in her way and that he plays it too safe?
Doubt it would happen. Shelby may be a hothead but she's not stupid. She can get away with mouthing off to Riker in the end with no long term negative effects since she was the Admiral's favorite and Picard was the one ultimately in charge there. Mouthing off to the one man in charge who writes her performance reports as first officer is another story. There's no appeal there and the Picard speech of disappointment usually warrants no rebuttal. She cooled down noticeably in part two after Hanson was dead and Riker was captain.
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Old October 5 2013, 08:33 PM   #48
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I think by Season 4, had Riker left after BOBW for a command of his own, Data should have been next up as Picard's Number One. Worf as depicted in TNG, while a good officer, was never qualified to be second in command of the Enterprise.

See, I liked the character of Riker, and Frakes, but I also agree that it never made sense after BOBW, for Riker to turn down a Captaincy, especially after he already WAS promoted to captain, once Picard was captured. In essence, Riker helps save Earth and gets DEMOTED for his trouble.
There's a difference between assuming the position as the next in line on the ship and having the rank to hold it long-term. Data may not have qualified for the promotion to Commander and permanent first officer at that point, in Starfleet's eyes. And somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Riker got an actual rank promotion in BOBW...he just assumed command of the Enterprise as the highest ranking officer onboard.

The commander of a starship is called "Captain" even if they don't hold the actual rank.
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Old October 5 2013, 08:51 PM   #49
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Well the admiral guy calls it a field promotion. Then Riker chooses his own first officer. I take it to mean if Picard was gone for good, he would remain captain.

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Shelby may be a hothead but she's not stupid. She can get away with mouthing off to Riker in the end with no long term negative effects since she was the Admiral's favorite and Picard was the one ultimately in charge there.
I'd say it wasn't a smart move on her part to make an enemy of Riker, because Picard actually asks Riker what he thinks of her.
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Old October 6 2013, 12:19 AM   #50
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I always liked the speculation that for the episode Second Chances with Tom Riker, the writers considered sending Will on his way in a new command and leaving Tom around as a Lt Cmdr. and rekindling his relationship with Deanna. This would create a whole new dynamic with the same actors. Building off of that, I would probably pull in a new XO not from within. Someone very different from Will Riker yet still a very strong leader. However, following the events in Insurrection, I had hoped that in the next film, Will would already have his own command and that Geordi, having proved himself a worth XO during the battle with the Sona' would go with him and be his Number One.
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Old October 6 2013, 01:30 AM   #51
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I always liked the speculation that for the episode Second Chances with Tom Riker, the writers considered sending Will on his way in a new command and leaving Tom around as a Lt Cmdr. and rekindling his relationship with Deanna. This would create a whole new dynamic with the same actors.
Apparently Frakes thought it would have been a neat idea too, had they'd gone that route, and was even open to killing Will off for it.
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Old October 6 2013, 02:57 AM   #52
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I take it to mean if Picard was gone for good, he would remain captain.
Even that wouldn't be a given. Starfleet might have permanently replaced Picard with a different commanding officer than Riker after the dust settled.

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Old October 6 2013, 06:05 AM   #53
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I think by Season 4, had Riker left after BOBW for a command of his own, Data should have been next up as Picard's Number One. Worf as depicted in TNG, while a good officer, was never qualified to be second in command of the Enterprise.

See, I liked the character of Riker, and Frakes, but I also agree that it never made sense after BOBW, for Riker to turn down a Captaincy, especially after he already WAS promoted to captain, once Picard was captured. In essence, Riker helps save Earth and gets DEMOTED for his trouble.
There's a difference between assuming the position as the next in line on the ship and having the rank to hold it long-term. Data may not have qualified for the promotion to Commander and permanent first officer at that point, in Starfleet's eyes. And somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Riker got an actual rank promotion in BOBW...he just assumed command of the Enterprise as the highest ranking officer onboard.

The commander of a starship is called "Captain" even if they don't hold the actual rank.

Data's promotion, or lack thereof, to first officer would have most likely have been at the discretion of Picard. I would like to think that since Data was set to have the position in Nemesis before he was killed, AND Jellico also had enough confidence in Data to replace Riker with him, and the fact Data had some 20 years in Starfleet with multiple awards for valor and having saved the Enterprise dozens of times, if he wasn't ready for XO after BOBW, no one was.

As to Riker, good question. Unlike a senior officer assuming command of the ship and being called captain, even if that officer isn't one by rank, Riker actually was wearing the insignia of a captain after his battlefield promotion.

So, since he chose to stay on the Enterprise, and since there can be only one captain at a time, Riker must have accepted a demotion. Probably since he helped save Earth and all, he likely knew that Starfleet "owed" him, and whenever he felt he was ready to move on, he would have had but ask for a ship of his own (IE Like assuming command of Titan). So it likely didn't hurt his career by turning down the promotion, as it would otherwise have, but he still must have accepted a voluntary demotion, nonetheless.
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Old October 6 2013, 04:16 PM   #54
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^If he was wearing the pips (I'd never noticed), then that would suggest that it was meant to be a true promotion, then.

Taking a reduction in rank, voluntarily or otherwise, in order to serve in a particular position does have its precedent in Trek...note Decker in TMP and Kirk in TVH.
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Old October 7 2013, 07:26 PM   #55
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I always liked the speculation that for the episode Second Chances with Tom Riker, the writers considered sending Will on his way in a new command and leaving Tom around as a Lt Cmdr. and rekindling his relationship with Deanna. This would create a whole new dynamic with the same actors. Building off of that, I would probably pull in a new XO not from within. Someone very different from Will Riker yet still a very strong leader.
I always liked this idea, myself. I'd really like to have seen it happen. I'd liked to have seen a female first officer; someone who was a strong leader, comfortable in her abilities and not a bitch. Someone likeable.

I hear what you say about Geordi, too. The little time he was on-screen in the films he really impressed me in a way that he never seemed to do during the series. I think he would make a good first officer, too.
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Old October 8 2013, 12:44 AM   #56
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That would have been an absolutely perfect "trap door" scenario. J M S used that very effectively in Babylon 5 to make sure he didn't blindsided by an actor leaving unexpectedly, but there's no reason it couldn't be used to solve a dilemma with a character arc. Of course, how Frakes would have reacted to his character being demoted in the ship and in the ensemble, but the story opportunities would have been simply awesome. #tngmissedopportunities
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Old October 8 2013, 04:05 AM   #57
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^If he was wearing the pips (I'd never noticed), then that would suggest that it was meant to be a true promotion, then.

Taking a reduction in rank, voluntarily or otherwise, in order to serve in a particular position does have its precedent in Trek...note Decker in TMP and Kirk in TVH.
I always took the "field commission" as something of a brevet rank. You have the rank, but it's not permanent and we can take it away whenever we don't need you doing it anymore. Wesley likewise had a field commission of Ensign but was later a Cadet.
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