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Old October 4 2013, 06:04 PM   #46
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

Funny that no one's mentioned Kevin Reilly as the most dangerous enemy to the original Enterprise crew.
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Old October 4 2013, 07:37 PM   #47
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

Or, for that matter, Piglet from ''Pooh.''
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Old October 4 2013, 08:35 PM   #48
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Funny that no one's mentioned Kevin Reilly as the most dangerous enemy to the original Enterprise crew.
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Old October 4 2013, 09:06 PM   #49
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No, I agree that Khan was the most dangerous. He was brilliant, ruthless, obsessed, and wanted to kill everyone, and then conquer the universe. Also, it took Spock sacrificing his own life to finally foil Khan for good. As for why he is considered to me Kirk's Joker, it's for several reasons. One, Montalban was fantastic. Two, Khan and Kirk had a personal rivalry. Three, they made the Moby Dick analogy very relevant to Khan. Also, Khan killed Spock, so of course he's going to say that.
He also had that dark mirror or Kirk thing going on.

Not to mention i doubt Prime Kirk would care that much about some dude him met for all of 5 mins. Thats like saying the villain of a star trek movie should be some guy Kirk bumped into in a hallway during a TOS episode, not exactly hype worthy.

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Add onto that Soran set into motion the plan that resulted in the Enterprise's destruction. He is one dangerous mofo.
Yeah I'll believe destroying the Enterprise-D is a worthy accomplishment when you give me evidence it isn't ridiculously easy to do. Remember this is a ship that lost to Ferengi in Klingon Birds of Prey and just needed a ding on the nacelle to explode.

Seriously every time I think of the differences between 24th and 23rd century starships I think back to Back to the Future Part 2 and Doc. Brown and Marty's discussion about how ramming a 1950s car with a 1980s car will trash the 1980s car without doing much to the 1950s car.
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Old October 4 2013, 10:46 PM   #50
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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Not to mention i doubt Prime Kirk would care that much about some dude him met for all of 5 mins. Thats like saying the villain of a star trek movie should be some guy Kirk bumped into in a hallway during a TOS episode, not exactly hype worthy.
It worked for Iron Man 3.
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Old October 4 2013, 10:59 PM   #51
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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Not to mention i doubt Prime Kirk would care that much about some dude him met for all of 5 mins. Thats like saying the villain of a star trek movie should be some guy Kirk bumped into in a hallway during a TOS episode, not exactly hype worthy.
It worked for Iron Man 3.
The movie Into Darkness is apparently killing in Blu-ray releases?
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Old October 5 2013, 01:00 AM   #52
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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Not to mention i doubt Prime Kirk would care that much about some dude him met for all of 5 mins. Thats like saying the villain of a star trek movie should be some guy Kirk bumped into in a hallway during a TOS episode, not exactly hype worthy.
It worked for Iron Man 3.
The movie Into Darkness is apparently killing in Blu-ray releases?
The movie that made over a billion in the box office and nearly triple the gross of Into Darkness?
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Old October 5 2013, 02:02 AM   #53
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It worked for Iron Man 3.
The movie Into Darkness is apparently killing in Blu-ray releases?
The movie that made over a billion in the box office and nearly triple the gross of Into Darkness?
Didn't Iron Man 3 tease a bigger Iron Man enemy being in the film, and a theory that people have come up with is that this was just a considerably reimaging of said enemy?
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Old October 5 2013, 06:35 AM   #54
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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The movie Into Darkness is apparently killing in Blu-ray releases?
The movie that made over a billion in the box office and nearly triple the gross of Into Darkness?
Didn't Iron Man 3 tease a bigger Iron Man enemy being in the film, and a theory that people have come up with is that this was just a considerably reimaging of said enemy?
The movie that had a very faithful interpretation of one of the most popular incarnations of that enemy and a nod to older incarnations by adding another character which is consistent with the popular incarnation.
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Old October 5 2013, 03:43 PM   #55
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It's a great "what could've been." Imagine what TUC would've been like with Colicos as Kor instead of Plummer as a totally new character, Chang.
I think It would have been outstanding.

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Old October 5 2013, 05:21 PM   #56
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

I was not that big of a fan of bringing back TWOK's Khan (and missing the opportunity to make him more interesting than Space Seed's Khan at that) and I am not quite happy how they painted him as the most dangerous adversary ever faced for tension's sake. That one was just silly. But...

Spock Prime was aware that for nuSpock to call him, he was in a lot of trouble and uncertainty, and that Khan's intelligence, resolve and ruthlessness made up a special concoction of danger that required due attention by the crew, and he exaggerated both to excuse himself for breaking his vow and to signal the crew not to trust Khan – after all, a man who is barely stronger than Spock doesn't exactly scream danger like a energy field spanning half the solar system does. You need to emphasize it.

I dislike this as an explanation (I like to think of Spock of someone more meticulous than that), but when I watch the film, this is essentially what I feel is unspoken when the exchange happens.
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Old October 5 2013, 06:02 PM   #57
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Just another example of the childish and over simplistic writing prevalent in the JJ movies.

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Old October 5 2013, 06:24 PM   #58
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I was not that big of a fan of bringing back TWOK's Khan (and missing the opportunity to make him more interesting than Space Seed's Khan at that) and I am not quite happy how they painted him as the most dangerous adversary ever faced for tension's sake. That one was just silly.
Not really considering that the only reason he didn't kill everyone in Space Seed right then and there was because he needed them to run the ship, and then in Wrath of Khan had the Enterprise crippled and was just about to finish her off when he stopped to gloat and try to get info on Genesis.

Really I don't recall that many TOS/TOS film enemies that ever got that close to killing them all once let alone TWICE.
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Old October 5 2013, 07:42 PM   #59
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Just another example of the childish and over simplistic writing prevalent in the JJ movies.

'Cold' fusion?
What does this have to do with Khan being the most dangerous enemy? Is there a particular post this is a response to?
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Old October 5 2013, 07:58 PM   #60
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The whole Khan thing is somehow breaking the 4th wall for me. Khan is only in this film because somehow the writers think that "the franchise demands it". And that awful reveal with "My name is... Khan." (like he expected Kirk and Spock to have watched Space Seed and TWOK), and then that awful "KHHAAAAN!" scream that simply would not be there had TWOK never been made...

Similar Kirk's promotion from Cadet to Captain in the first film. The only reason for that was out-universe, because the writers thought the "franchise demanded" that the film ends with Kirk being Captain.

It's that market research style of writing that I really don't like.
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