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Old October 5 2013, 05:31 AM   #31
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Re: If Khan defeated Kirk in TWOK

Collapse, no. But if (for example) the Human and Klingon homeworlds were both destroyed within a few years of each other, then both the Federation and the Klingon Empire would suffer. For one thing, the Federation Council as well Starfleet Academy would be gone!
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Old October 5 2013, 05:41 AM   #32
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Re: If Khan defeated Kirk in TWOK

You elect a new Council and build a new Academy. IIRC, the Academy has off world facilities as well.
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Old October 5 2013, 12:48 PM   #33
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(...)and with Earth wiped out because it lacked humpback whales, then of course the Klingon Empire screwed over after Praxis, he'd be in a nice position to create and hold such an empire. Details? Don't know enough of 'em.
I was under the impression Praxis only exploded because of overmining to fuel the Klingon war machine. If that's the case, with Earth wiped out by the whale probe, maybe they dialed back the mining and Praxis wouldnt explode.
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Old October 5 2013, 02:39 PM   #34
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Are there any theories as to how things would have progressed had Khan succeeded in defeating Kirk in TWOK (perhaps by beaming him up from Regula 1 along with the Genesis Device)? What would he have done then? Embarked on a quadrant-wide terror spree? Gone to look for potential allies to back him up?
Whatever the writers may have come up with...
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Old October 5 2013, 02:39 PM   #35
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From "Space Seed":

KHAN: Captain, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically. In fact, I am surprised how little improvement there has been in human evolution. Oh, there has been technical advancement, but, how little man himself has changed. Yes, it appears we will do well in your century, Captain. Do you have any other questions?
KIRK: Thank you. They've all been answered.

Bob
I just wanted to add Khan's later quote from the briefing room scene--

KHAN: Nothing ever changes, except man.


What's Khan really trying to say?
Nothing really changes, except man, who changes very little, which is why Khan and the augments are going to rule the universe?
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Old October 5 2013, 06:53 PM   #36
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You elect a new Council and build a new Academy. IIRC, the Academy has off world facilities as well.
I'd be surprised if the Federation doesn't have a plan for the continuation of government should something catastrophic happen to the capital and Federation council.

Especially since it seems like Earth is threatened by something that will wipe out all life on a monthly basis.
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Old October 5 2013, 07:00 PM   #37
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You elect a new Council and build a new Academy. IIRC, the Academy has off world facilities as well.
Yeah, but let us not pretend this doesn't HURT the Federation something fierce. Which was all I'm saying.
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Old October 5 2013, 07:07 PM   #38
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You elect a new Council and build a new Academy. IIRC, the Academy has off world facilities as well.
Yeah, but let us not pretend this doesn't HURT the Federation something fierce. Which was all I'm saying.
But how badly is debatable? The worst damage would likely be from a morale standpoint.
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Old October 5 2013, 07:26 PM   #39
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A big chunk of senior management of both Starfleet and the Federation were just lost. As well as the teaching staff at the Academy. Add to that the financial whack from the loss of billions of people as well as the infrastructure of an entire fully inhabited planet.

Maybe the morale would be worse, but if so then the Federation's morale just took a truly gigantic hit. This would be many times worse than Pearl Harbor or 9/11. While I don't think this would come anywhere near destroying the UFP, it would certainly damage it. Think what it would mean to a large nation here on Earth--the total loss of a capital city, which also happens to contain the nation's military academy (the equivalent of Annapolis or West Point) and is a major city in its own right. Not a death blow, but a severe wound. Not least to the economy.
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Old October 7 2013, 03:27 AM   #40
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Especially since it seems like Earth is threatened by something that will wipe out all life on a monthly basis.
Federation President's Aide: Sir, Starfleet has detected the approach of an unidentified object, heading right for Earth! It's not answering any hails, and its power curve is off the charts!

Federation President: *sigh* Is it Tuesday already?

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