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Old October 3 2013, 01:34 AM   #331
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Also worth considering: in 1994, the Roger Corman F4 movie was made to keep the rights from reverting back to Marvel. After that, 11 years passed before the next F4 movie, and the rights remained with Fox for all that time.
The Corman movie was not for Fox, but for Bernd Eichinger's Neue Constantin, later renamed Constantin Film. Avi Arad was unsatisfied with it and literally paid them not to release it. But Eichinger continued negotiating for the chance to make the movie, and that's apparently how he held onto the rights, eventually co-producing the 2005-7 films with Fox.
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Old October 3 2013, 11:41 PM   #332
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Avi Arad was unsatisfied with it and literally paid them not to release it.
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Old October 3 2013, 11:44 PM   #333
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You know, I honestly don't think the 94 movie is *that* bad. I mean, sure, it has a LOT of flaws but there is some merit in what it tried to do.
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Old October 4 2013, 09:40 AM   #334
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The Corman movie captured more of the spirit of the FF than the big-budget one did.
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Old October 4 2013, 10:07 AM   #335
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Because why not hire the guy who wrote the first two pieces of shit.
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Old October 5 2013, 12:32 PM   #336
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Old October 5 2013, 02:41 PM   #337
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If he can act in a serious role, I'd have no problem with it. I don't think he'd be LES Jewish, but the socioeconomic background that gave rise to Ben Grimm probably doesn't exist in a modern New York and could use a bit of an update.
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Old October 5 2013, 02:48 PM   #338
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Wouldn't it be wild if the Fantastic Four movie cast ended up with black actors as Ben, Johnny, and Sue -- not by design, but just as a fluke of colorblind casting? Heck, now that I think about it, Phil Morris could make a good Reed Richards...
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Old October 6 2013, 03:23 AM   #339
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That would be pretty cool. I don't see any reason why they couldn't be.
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Old October 6 2013, 03:46 AM   #340
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Technically we've already had a Japanese Reed Richards: Hiro Kanagawa did his voice in the 2006 animated series.
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Old October 6 2013, 04:15 AM   #341
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Eh, that's not a great standard otherwise Shyamalan's racebending controversy would look like a warm summer's day.
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Old October 6 2013, 05:59 AM   #342
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I thought that announcing that the walking Golem had a semitic heritage was only a ten years oldish revelation? I first read about it on Newsarama... I can think of twice off the top of my head where Ben Grimm met Hitler, and he didn't act out worse than anyone else that hadn't had 3/4's of is people removed in a genocide.
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Old October 6 2013, 07:15 AM   #343
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I think it was always a part of his history, they just made a bigger deal of it more recently.

I think Stan Lee and Kirby (who were both Jewish boys) had that in mind when they created him.
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Old October 6 2013, 08:02 AM   #344
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It seems logical, and might have been as big a secret as Northstar's homosexuality which was decided upon almost a decade before the big reveal.

Here's a real world argument against it.... Jews weren't allowed into the same colleges as Christians in the 50s with out a mountain of trouble.

Real world counter argument: Ben Grimm was the greatest football player in the universe so ordinary racism did not apply to him.
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Louis Brandeis went to Harvard Law School in 1875, so I think you're overestimating the amount of restrictions for a talented person to go to college a long time ago regardless of faith.

ETA: According to Wikipedia, there were Jewish quotas at Ivy League schools (which would still have allowed someone to go, but would have been more difficult). However, Ben Grimm's school is modeled after NYU, which did not have any quotas. This is also the 1920s, I'm not sure what the 50s would have been like.
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