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Old October 1 2013, 05:49 PM   #16
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Well, she's an Empath not a Telepath.
It's a mixed bag when it comes to what her powers can really do. She's able to communicate to Riker's mind in the pilot and with her mother numerous times. Even that one Betazoid stated that Ferengi have "minds we can't read".

I think when the creators gave Troi these powers for the purpose of making her useful in a unique way, they realized that having such such a useful ability would render most situations resolved. So after the pilot episode, her powers were toned down significantly and any situation that the writers didn't want resolved, they just threw in some techbabble like jargon that renders her powers useless.
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Old October 1 2013, 06:07 PM   #17
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Well, she's an Empath not a Telepath.
It's a mixed bag when it comes to what her powers can really do. She's able to communicate to Riker's mind in the pilot and with her mother numerous times. Even that one Betazoid stated that Ferengi have "minds we can't read".

I think when the creators gave Troi these powers for the purpose of making her useful in a unique way, they realized that having such such a useful ability would render most situations resolved. So after the pilot episode, her powers were toned down significantly and any situation that the writers didn't want resolved, they just threw in some techbabble like jargon that renders her powers useless.
Reminds of one of the pre-production memos from "The Making of Star Trek": originally GR proposed that landing parties have some sort of combadge that would allow them to remotely trigger the transporter when the shit hit the fan. To paraphrase one of the responders: you take the hazard out of the situation and you take the fun out!

I see the same problem with Q.
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Old October 1 2013, 09:14 PM   #18
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3. Riker and Mrs. Apgar are making out and possibly about to do the nasty as well, although we don't know for sure. Mr. Apgar barges in, accuses both of them and then beats up Riker, leading to "You're a dead man, Apgar! A dead man!" Again, my response is...

Did any of these really happen exactly as was remembered?
This last version is second hand. It’s not what was remembered by an eyewitness to the event, but what Tayna remembers being told by Apgar.
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Old October 1 2013, 11:44 PM   #19
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Dr. Apgar's "testimony" reeks of embarrassment and cuckoldry. He exaggerates just how far Riker and his wife went, and then embellishes his response to Riker, knocking him to the ground (yeah right) as if it were a kid fantasizing about beating a bully. Riker and the wife come off as horny children, and Apgar comes off like a guy who's not taking this crap. His version of Riker went down faster and easier than Worf. Nah.

One other thing - if Riker says the wife invited him to stay onboard, but the wife says Riker demanded to stay aboard, what did Geordi hear? He was there too, but his version of events don't seem to be used here.

What I think happened - Riker and the wife exchanged subtle glances back and forth, which Apgar picked up on. The wife invited Riker to stay aboard, and things got a little cozy in the quarters. They kiss. Apgar barges in, grabs his wife, Riker intervenes, and Apgar ends up on the floor. Riker tries to defuse it, but to no avail. The wife is in denial about the whole thing, because that's not something a respectable woman does.
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Old October 2 2013, 01:22 AM   #20
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One other thing - if Riker says the wife invited him to stay onboard, but the wife says Riker demanded to stay aboard, what did Geordi hear? He was there too, but his version of events don't seem to be used here.
Most likely it didn't strike him as significant at the time, and afterwards he couldn't remember who had first suggested it.
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Old October 3 2013, 01:18 PM   #21
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On the subject of the HD transfer - were they unable to find a few seconds in this episode? The bit where Riker gets up and circles the facsimilie of himself looks suspiciously SD.
Not standard definition. It's another example of the "Pan and Scan" method where the camera was moved further back so they could capture the entire scene in one frame and pan across the video in post production. The problem with this technique is that they have to zoom into the picture, and whenever you zoom into the picture, it will look fuzzier. I bet it was easier and cheaper to do the since the camera is not moving and the effects crew wouldn't have to track the double image of Riker with real camera movement.

Here's a video example of other times this technique was used with a bit of extra tinkering to show the entire shot in widescreen!

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Old October 3 2013, 07:39 PM   #22
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Zoom isn't the right term. The vertical resolution is unchanged. The image is being stretched horizontally to undo the anamorphic squeeze. When cropping to 4x3, there is less horizontal resolution only. Film grain then gets stretched and appears bigger and splotchier, which contributes to the drop in picture quality.

The film is scanned at 2K, right? It would have been nice if CBS-D scanned these anamorphic shots in 4K, so they could squeeze every bit of detail from the film. That might have reduced the drop in picture quality.
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Old October 4 2013, 07:20 AM   #23
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Although it looks quite glaring now it was an ingenious solution to the problem they had (tracking a double image of Riker). I've been quite interested to learn about some of the techniques used at the time so I can live with the drop in image quality - without it I would never have learned some TV history.
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Old October 4 2013, 03:03 PM   #24
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Zoom isn't the right term. The vertical resolution is unchanged. The image is being stretched horizontally to undo the anamorphic squeeze. When cropping to 4x3, there is less horizontal resolution only. Film grain then gets stretched and appears bigger and splotchier, which contributes to the drop in picture quality.
But that's exactly the way the compositors describe what happens when you're dealing with 4x3 vs 16x9. Take the discussion on why TNG can't be shown in widescreen,

Eric Bruno: You would have to really significantly change the composition of the shots. Why don't you just push into it (Zoom in)? Well, if you push into it, whatever information you have going on at the top and bottom is gone. So you actually have less information than what you had in the original. And also on top of that, you're going to be softening the image.

And that's what we get with these shots, they pushed into the image which resulted in the shots coming out soft.

My guess is that they shot these scenes anamorphic while the regular shots that dominate the show were not shot anamorphic. I may not have that right, but there has to be a reason why these shots look soft when every other shot does not.
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Old October 4 2013, 06:57 PM   #25
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The show should have been shot with a spherical lens. Only these effects shots would have been shot using an anamorphic lens.

What Eric Bruno is describing is slightly different, but the right idea. Cropping to 16x9 means removing vertical resolution, but you have to zoom the image to fill a 16x9 frame. With pan-and-scan, you're getting the same 4x3 image vertically, but losing horizontal resolution as you can only see a portion at a time.

This is what the anamorphic shots would have looked like:


It's a 4x3 shot much like any other, but has to be stretched in order to remove the distortion. More information in the same amount of space.

If you watch Sins of the Father, you might notice it looks noticeably different from the rest of the season. It looks much softer to me. I don't know if that's a result of the slight cropping/zooming or because it was done at the beginning of the process before they had fine-tuned their skill.
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