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Old September 21 2013, 03:15 AM   #16
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

She wasn't really acting "drunk" anyway. She was acting uninhibited, but she wasn't stumbling, slurring her speech, etc.
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Old September 21 2013, 04:35 PM   #17
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

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Edit: given the occasional truculence of the moderators I've seen around here I half-expect this thread to be deleted or closed on sight. If so, oh, well.
Whatever gives you that impression? We try to be very light-handed in the show fora unless obvious abusive or pornographic content appears. I've been mod on this forum for nearly a year and awarded one warning and closed about three content-free threads. Nothing in your thread even peeks over any arbitrary line, much less crosses it, in fact, it is a very good observation IMO.
On every forum I've ever been to threads tend to get closed if they brooch on the topic of sexual violence. I think the original poster was worried because he raised the question of whether this constituted sexual violence.

I think in this case Data was just not capable of identifying Tasha's body language as drunk body language.
OK, I get it now. The way the question was framed, It seemed both logical and interesting. IMO, It is not like it glorified or advocated for sexual violence in any way.
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Old September 22 2013, 12:37 AM   #18
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

I think this is more like a situation where a person goes to a bar, gets drunk, has a one night stand, then wakes up regretting it. If it were demeaning in anyway, I think it be demeaning to Data. Yar just pretty much used him as a...how can i say...sex toy.

And btw, Hi Mutai!!! I didnt know you was moderator here. Small world. I'm new to this place. Makes me feel more comfortable seeing someone I recognize . - (Sherlock Holmes, Hence the "Mycroft")
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Old September 22 2013, 02:04 PM   #19
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And btw, Hi Mutai!!! I didnt know you was moderator here. Small world. I'm new to this place. Makes me feel more comfortable seeing someone I recognize . - (Sherlock Holmes, Hence the "Mycroft")
Greetings as well. Here, I'm only a mod on this forum as opposed to The Omega Sector where I cover the whole site. Obviously, this place is much busier. I wish Omega Sector had 10% of this kind of activity. People are missing out.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:09 PM   #20
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Am I missing something? Data was also infected, was he not? This was at a time when the character was still supposed to be part biological and created by aliens.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:45 PM   #21
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I wish Omega Sector had 10% of this kind of activity. People are missing out.
I agree.

Am I missing something? Data was also infected, was he not? This was at a time when the character was still supposed to be part biological and created by aliens.
Wow! Thats news to me. I keep learning more and more about behind the scenes stuff. Explains to me how Data was not immune.

I did notice this experience seemed to have a lasting effect on Data. He seemed to be the only person to keep that small hologram of Yar in his desk. I think he felt attachment (an emotion) and never ever realized it.
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Old September 22 2013, 10:13 PM   #22
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Hypothetically, if a drunk woman seduces and has sex with a minor, who's at fault?
As pointed out, Tasha wasn't drunk. And while Data seemed a bit innocent at times, he wasn't a minor.

However, as your question is phrased the woman would be at fault. "Being drunk" doesn't even begin to be a defense of wrongful actions.

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Old September 23 2013, 05:20 AM   #23
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Of course this wasn't abuse. Tasha said "it never happened," out of fear that her professional standing would be compromised. Cpt. Picard even used Data and Yar's relationship when he defended Data's sentience against the federation. Keeping her hologram all the years after her death proves the special familiarity his neural networks possessed of her. That, and the fact that they both suffered from intoxication clears either of any wrong doing
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Old September 25 2013, 04:06 AM   #24
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Data is not a child. He was at least 27 by then. He has a real job with real responsibilities. He frequently carries weapons that can kill people and is fully trusted with them, along with fixing and flying the ship. He attended Starfleet and is third in command of the Enterprise, a ship with over a thousand people on board.

All that adds up to being at least 18+ mentally in human terms.
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Old September 26 2013, 03:14 AM   #25
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

But he also has difficulty understanding basic human behavior such as humor. I imagine that at that point, he had far less experience with sex or intimate relationships than he did with humor.
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Old September 29 2013, 06:37 PM   #26
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But he also has difficulty understanding basic human behavior such as humor.
As did Spock.


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Old September 29 2013, 10:03 PM   #27
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

Spock was always the outside observer when it came to human behavior, but other than in STIV, when he wasn't working on all thrusters, I never got the impression that he truly didn't understand it. Whereas often Data was really clueless and didn't get things. Spock never had that "innocent" quality to him...and more specific to this topic, even Spock knew what it was to be a biological male of his species....
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Old October 4 2013, 04:41 AM   #28
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Re: Data x Tasha. Was that affection or abuse?

The whole concept of a machine having consensual sex with a human is just stupid.

I tend to imagine the whole deal in the episode as "Data's curiosity" as to what this whole sex business was about.

Someone else said this, and I tend to agree:

Tasha was intoxicated and used Data as a blow up sex doll.
Data was impaired as well, and as a machine, was not able to calculate what was probably going to be not appropriate behaviour.

My understanding of the behind the scenes is that at this point in time, they weren't sure what Data was supposed to be (if he was an organic AI, and whether he was created by aliens, etc etc.) and at this time they hadn't yet come up with the concept that Data does not have feelings and emotions like we do.

The whole idea that a machine could experience sex the way a human being is ludicrous. Even if it were possible (do we really understand what pleasure is, or even pain?) what would be the point in giving a robot this feature?

The whole idea of Data being "fully functional", why? I could accept it as maybe Dr. Soong providing Data with a working electronic phallus (hah hah) so that he could provide functioning sex (although crippled) to a potential mate.

Other than that, there really isn't any use to data for having one. If he wasn't "fully functional" he could just use a strap on and it would do the same job.
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Old October 4 2013, 05:55 AM   #29
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Data may be an emotional child, but since he's programmed in multiple techniques and a wide variety of pleasuring, it's doubtful he could be considered a child.

The gag reel "Totally Naked" was much better than "The Naked Now".
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Old October 4 2013, 08:12 PM   #30
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The whole idea of Data being "fully functional", why? I could accept it as maybe Dr. Soong providing Data with a working electronic phallus (hah hah) so that he could provide functioning sex (although crippled) to a potential mate.
Well, if we go with the novels (and they do a reasonable extrapolation of Soong's motives), he fully intended to transfer himself into an android body the same way he did Juliana (and in the books, he did, having tricked Data into thinking Lore had killed him a wee bit sooner than actually occurred).

Soong being human would wish his new body to be capable of all the things that gave him pleasure in his human existence, so I can see sexuality in Data being a test run.

He's also a rampant egomaniac... even if he never fulfills his dream of electronic immortality, he gave his sons HIS face and the ability to pleasure women beyond their wildest imaginations.
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