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Old October 4 2013, 01:23 AM   #31
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Re: Starfleeters?

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Since Starfleet Personnel use a stardrive on a starship to travel to starbases and star systems why not call them starmen or astromen?
Not politically correct. What about women? Or races without gender? Knowing how things work, we'll have to use stiff and awkward names like "starperson" or "starbeing", and nobody wants that.
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Old October 4 2013, 01:32 AM   #32
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Navigator_NCC2120 wrote: View Post
Since Starfleet Personnel use a stardrive on a starship to travel to starbases and star systems why not call them starmen or astromen?
Not politically correct. What about women? Or races without gender? Knowing how things work, we'll have to use stiff and awkward names like "starperson" or "starbeing", and nobody wants that.
In today's U.S. Navy, a midshipman is a midshipman and a seaman is a seaman, regardless of gender. Same with the rank of airman in the Air Force.

"Astroman" sounds like a Japanese anime superhero. And "starman" sounds like this dude.

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Old October 4 2013, 01:36 AM   #33
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In today's U.S. Navy, a midshipman is a midshipman and a seaman is a seaman, regardless of gender. Same with the rank of airman in the Air Force.
Well, that's just not right.
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Old October 4 2013, 01:46 AM   #34
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What's wrong with "astronauts"? Even Cochran used it!

It's even etymologically correct: ástron (star) and nautes (sailor); so a member of a star fleet.
What I was going to say.
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Old October 4 2013, 01:57 AM   #35
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Starfleet officer has worked for the past 47 years, I say we go with that.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:56 AM   #36
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Which is really besides the point. The actual point is that, like a police agency, the term "officer" has often been used to describe Starfleet personnel no matter their rank. It's far more rare to commonly hear the term "enlisted personnel."
It's not beside the point I was trying to make, which is that Starfleet is not set up the same as a police agency with regard to officer and enlisted personnel.
Which doesn't really matter if the term "officer" is the common term for all their personnel, no matter the rank. Which was the point I was making.
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Old October 4 2013, 05:37 AM   #37
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Galactic do-gooders.
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Sanctimonious assholes.*




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Old October 4 2013, 07:35 AM   #38
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O'Brien's rank was so mis-handled over the years
Less "over the years, and more "initially."

"Tactical officer" is a position rather than a rank
Referring to O'Brien as a tactical specialist probably would have been better.

Strictly speaking, was Maxwell complimenting O'Brien on being a knowledgeable tactician, or a talented gunner?

It pretty much goes without saying that O'Brien would have known the systems inside and out.

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Old October 4 2013, 12:50 PM   #39
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Hmmm, this is an iteresting debate.

I'm a Commissioned Officer in the U.S. Army and while I am referred to as an Officer I am also referred to as a Soldier.

Alot of time we also say "Army personnel" or "Air Force personnel" since we work in a joint office, but we are referring to ALL Army or ALL AF personnel, officer and enlisted included.

We have one Navy Officer in our unit. I've told her on a couple of occassions that the only way I learned their officer rank structure was from watching Star Trek. (The isigna is the same but the "names" are different).
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Old October 4 2013, 02:45 PM   #40
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Hmmm, this is an iteresting debate.

I'm a Commissioned Officer in the U.S. Army and while I am referred to as an Officer I am also referred to as a Soldier.

Alot of time we also say "Army personnel" or "Air Force personnel" since we work in a joint office, but we are referring to ALL Army or ALL AF personnel, officer and enlisted included.

We have one Navy Officer in our unit. I've told her on a couple of occassions that the only way I learned their officer rank structure was from watching Star Trek. (The isigna is the same but the "names" are different).
Pretty much this. Calling everybody a Starfleet Officer is silly mostly because it doesn't even make sense with relation to the meaning of the term. Just ask Sergey Rozhenko. He seemed to take pride in his former NCO status with Chief O'Brien in "Family." That and I've seen how enlisted personnel respond when you mistake them for an officer.
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Old October 4 2013, 02:52 PM   #41
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Old October 4 2013, 09:14 PM   #42
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Calling everybody a Starfleet Officer is silly mostly because it doesn't even make sense with relation to the meaning of the term.
There are actually quite a few different meanings of the term, including the description of commissioned and noncommissioned personnel.
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Old October 5 2013, 03:08 AM   #43
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Pretty much this. Calling everybody a Starfleet Officer is silly mostly because it doesn't even make sense with relation to the meaning of the term. Just ask Sergey Rozhenko. He seemed to take pride in his former NCO status with Chief O'Brien in "Family." That and I've seen how enlisted personnel respond when you mistake them for an officer.
But then O'Brien is constantly referred to as an officer, even on DS9, and even to his face. Example, in Sons of Mogh O'Brien is about to speak in Worf's defense but Sisko cuts him off saying "I've already got one officer defending Worf, I don't need another." Although every time I watch that episode I always say "you won't, since he's not an officer" at that point.

But really, most of the time Trek has shown other enlisteds something is usually screwed up. There are several examples of enlisted people going to the Academy, even O'Brien. Calling them "officers" is hardly worth getting upset about.
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Old October 5 2013, 04:52 AM   #44
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Chief Petty Officer O'Brien.
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Old October 5 2013, 05:14 AM   #45
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I got the impression that members of Starfleet were called...Starfleet.
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