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Old October 1 2013, 09:21 PM   #31
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Data would be too much of a 'Spock-Lite'- the characters are pretty close and TNG is always trying to distance itself from the TOS structures. Worf is good, but we also saw him resign his Starfleet commission then having to choose between Klingon Honor and the Federation.
I vote for Shelby- she thinks outside the box and has initiative.
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Old October 2 2013, 04:11 AM   #32
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By that time Worf should've gotten it instead of a random no one.
The creators of NEM conveniently ignored any development that Worf enjoyed on DS9. By that time, he should have still been an ambassador, but that was also swept under the rug....
In my head Worf is still the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire, he just took some leave from his duties to attend the Riker-Troi wedding. He then thought for old time's sake he'd get back into uniform and give the E-E's Security Chief a break for a couple of weeks.

Once NEM ended, he said farewell to the E-E and returned to Qo'noS to resume his ambassadorial duties and hunting targs with Chancellor Martok. Doing it that way makes me feel much better about that one glaring plot hole--especially since his career in Starfleet has probably gone as far as it could (need I mention firing on an unidentified ship decloaking, sacrificing a key source of intelligence to save his wife).
Being honest, I never thought it made sense that the Federation would appoint him as Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire (and it wouldn't be a Starfleet matter, so Ross & Sisko wouldn't have the final say).

It would be like the UK appointing an adoptive son of Obama as British Ambassador to the USA. If that hypothetical son had previously played a key role in Obama's election campaign.
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Old October 2 2013, 04:12 AM   #33
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By that time Worf should've gotten it instead of a random no one.
The creators of NEM conveniently ignored any development that Worf enjoyed on DS9. By that time, he should have still been an ambassador, but that was also swept under the rug....
I could have very easily seen Worf being frustrated at being in the diplomatic corps and returning to Starfleet. I don't have a problem with that, though really one or two lines of exposition in Nemesis would've explained that. Or that he just was back for the wedding.
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Old October 2 2013, 10:16 PM   #34
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The creators of NEM conveniently ignored any development that Worf enjoyed on DS9. By that time, he should have still been an ambassador, but that was also swept under the rug....
In my head Worf is still the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire, he just took some leave from his duties to attend the Riker-Troi wedding. He then thought for old time's sake he'd get back into uniform and give the E-E's Security Chief a break for a couple of weeks.

Once NEM ended, he said farewell to the E-E and returned to Qo'noS to resume his ambassadorial duties and hunting targs with Chancellor Martok. Doing it that way makes me feel much better about that one glaring plot hole--especially since his career in Starfleet has probably gone as far as it could (need I mention firing on an unidentified ship decloaking, sacrificing a key source of intelligence to save his wife).
Being honest, I never thought it made sense that the Federation would appoint him as Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire (and it wouldn't be a Starfleet matter, so Ross & Sisko wouldn't have the final say).
Worf probably is the best person suited to be the Federation ambassador to Qo'noS. He is a Klingon and also a Federation citizen as he was adopted by the Rozhenkos (he's probably listed as Worf Rozhenko in the adoption file, IMO). If there's anyone who understands the needs of both the Klingons and the Federation, it's Worf.
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Old October 3 2013, 01:14 AM   #35
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In my head Worf is still the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire, he just took some leave from his duties to attend the Riker-Troi wedding. He then thought for old time's sake he'd get back into uniform and give the E-E's Security Chief a break for a couple of weeks.

Once NEM ended, he said farewell to the E-E and returned to Qo'noS to resume his ambassadorial duties and hunting targs with Chancellor Martok. Doing it that way makes me feel much better about that one glaring plot hole--especially since his career in Starfleet has probably gone as far as it could (need I mention firing on an unidentified ship decloaking, sacrificing a key source of intelligence to save his wife).
Being honest, I never thought it made sense that the Federation would appoint him as Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire (and it wouldn't be a Starfleet matter, so Ross & Sisko wouldn't have the final say).
Worf probably is the best person suited to be the Federation ambassador to Qo'noS. He is a Klingon and also a Federation citizen as he was adopted by the Rozhenkos (he's probably listed as Worf Rozhenko in the adoption file, IMO). If there's anyone who understands the needs of both the Klingons and the Federation, it's Worf.
Yes, but he also put Martok on the throne, and couldn't even get married without the permission of Martok's wife. You can't see a great honking conflict of interest there?

At the very least he'd need to leave the House of Martok. And I doubt that would be enough for the Federation Council.
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Old October 3 2013, 01:33 AM   #36
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Being honest, I never thought it made sense that the Federation would appoint him as Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire (and it wouldn't be a Starfleet matter, so Ross & Sisko wouldn't have the final say).
Worf probably is the best person suited to be the Federation ambassador to Qo'noS. He is a Klingon and also a Federation citizen as he was adopted by the Rozhenkos (he's probably listed as Worf Rozhenko in the adoption file, IMO). If there's anyone who understands the needs of both the Klingons and the Federation, it's Worf.
Yes, but he also put Martok on the throne, and couldn't even get married without the permission of Martok's wife. You can't see a great honking conflict of interest there?
Only if Worf was intending to serve on the Klingon High Council. Otherwise, as a Federation official, Worf's background would make him ideal as the person to maintain good relations & communications between the Empire and the Federation, which is likely all his job entailed.
At the very least he'd need to leave the House of Martok. And I doubt that would be enough for the Federation Council.
I don't think so at all. Worf's personal connection to Martok probably would be considered an asset to his position.
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Old October 4 2013, 08:13 AM   #37
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When Curzon Dax was the UFP Ambassador to the Empire, he became godfather to the son of a prominent military commander (namely Kang), who held enough power in the Empire to play a key role in negotiations between the two governments. That friendship led to a Blood Oath and lasted over two lifetimes.

Picard played a pivotal role in appointing the previous Chancellor, and he was more than a little bias--having negative feelings towards Duras, who appointment would most likely have damaged/destroyed Klingon-Federation relations.

Fostering good, personal relations between the Federation and Klingons would be key to ensuring stability between them. Worf being in Matrok's House would probably put him in a better position, being a metaphoric bridge between his status as a UFP citizen and the Klingon Chancellor.
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Old October 4 2013, 09:15 AM   #38
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Old October 4 2013, 07:09 PM   #39
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Worf probably is the best person suited to be the Federation ambassador to Qo'noS. He is a Klingon and also a Federation citizen as he was adopted by the Rozhenkos (he's probably listed as Worf Rozhenko in the adoption file, IMO). If there's anyone who understands the needs of both the Klingons and the Federation, it's Worf.
Yes, but he also put Martok on the throne, and couldn't even get married without the permission of Martok's wife. You can't see a great honking conflict of interest there?
Only if Worf was intending to serve on the Klingon High Council. Otherwise, as a Federation official, Worf's background would make him ideal as the person to maintain good relations & communications between the Empire and the Federation, which is likely all his job entailed.
At the very least he'd need to leave the House of Martok. And I doubt that would be enough for the Federation Council.
I don't think so at all. Worf's personal connection to Martok probably would be considered an asset to his position.
Until Martok gets assassinated. Then he's a liability.
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Old October 4 2013, 09:49 PM   #40
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Worf's personal connection to Martok probably would be considered an asset to his position.
Until Martok gets assassinated. Then he's a liability.
That's politics for you. You're the flavor of the month until someone gets happy with a bat'leth.
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Old October 5 2013, 04:41 AM   #42
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Well, it depends on when Riker leaves. Not least is because he might well take some folks with him to his new command! In fact, I think Riker might well have taken Data has his First Officer.

But since we're talking alternate whatevers, I think a good first officer for Picard would have been Ro Laran. Mind you, Geordi is senior to her but I've a feeling TNG could have gotten around that, not least because Starfleet doesn't seem to function like any military organization I've ever heard of. She was a great character, someone Picard trusted and admired, with considerable ability as well as personal courage. They'd've had to come up with some excuse to promote her, but the writers could have whipped one of those out of thin air if they had to.
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Old October 5 2013, 10:06 AM   #43
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Clearly, Riker left at the end of NEM - he had the four pips & everything.

And I don't think Picard would just Ro again after the events of 'Preemptive Strike'. Though the DS9 Relaunch has put Ro to good use in the Bajoran Militia (and later back in Starfleet thanks to Picard's influence).
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Old October 5 2013, 01:45 PM   #44
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Shelby? UGHHH! I intensely disliked her character. She is the last person I would want to see as XO! She was annoying, and just not likeable for me. Although, I am surprised they didn't re-use Shelby as Captain of Voyager, instead of creating Janeway.

I think by Season 4, had Riker left after BOBW for a command of his own, Data should have been next up as Picard's Number One. Worf as depicted in TNG, while a good officer, was never qualified to be second in command of the Enterprise.

See, I liked the character of Riker, and Frakes, but I also agree that it never made sense after BOBW, for Riker to turn down a Captaincy, especially after he already WAS promoted to captain, once Picard was captured. In essence, Riker helps save Earth and gets DEMOTED for his trouble.

I'm personally a fan of the idea that they should have written out Will Riker somehow (be it promoted, or killed off), then promoted Data and Worf, and introduced Tom Riker earlier, and assigned him to the Enterprise. Then, occasionally, we could have seen Will Riker make occasional guest appearances aiding Picard occasionally like Sulu for Kirk in TUC, while Tom Riker, who would be normally featured, would have had to work his way up through the ranks, after adjusting to being back in civilization.

It would have given Troi something to actually do, too, as Tom Riker would be both the patient and love interest for her. Would have been nice to see how Tom Riker adjusted, and it would have made a good story arc and he would have been more interesting than Will Riker in Seasons 4-7.

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Clearly, Riker left at the end of NEM - he had the four pips & everything.

And I don't think Picard would just Ro again after the events of 'Preemptive Strike'. Though the DS9 Relaunch has put Ro to good use in the Bajoran Militia (and later back in Starfleet thanks to Picard's influence).
Depends on when Riker becomes a Captain. Remember the premise of this thread is that he accepts promotion earlier than NEM, one of the numerous times it was offered. So my scenario presumes Picard needs a new Exec prior to "Preemptive Strike."

For what it is worth, I never liked Shelby either. Frankly, I think it had something to do with the actor.
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