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View Poll Results: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?
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Old October 2 2013, 08:39 AM   #121
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Not particularly.
Oh, yes it does. And particularly with Star Trek.

We have different eras of Star Trek and each one is different in style and tone from the other. We have an adolescent Federation in the 23rd-Century, a more mature Federation in the 24th-Century, and no Federation in the 22nd-Century (at least up to 2161). With any dramatic story, the era is definitely important--it's no less than a major part of the setting and will impact what kind of stories will be told and how the characters will relate to the things of their era, just like is it for Westerns, World War II epics, or medieval stories.

A 25th-Century Trek series will be no different because of the new situations that could be in place by then (new bad guys, new good guys, a new interstellar political climate, etc.).
It has some impact, sure, within the context of the Trek universe, but kinds of stories? Exactly what "kinds of stories" can only be told before the 25th century as opposed to during it? Are there types of characters that can only exist in a 25th century Starfleet? I suppose there are species we wouldn't see, but honestly how important is that detail? How vital can it be that (for example) a Jem Ha'dar be Chief of Security? Concepts? What concepts in particular? Which ones are so unique to the 25th century that no story told before then can deal with such? War? Uh...no. The dichotomy between reason and emotion? Prejudice versus tolerance? I can see how details would change, but nothing terribly vital.
Oh, that's just saying that every Star Trek series is always the same, and I don't agree with that. I do think the "details" you're dismissing are actually terribly vital series aspects and do go a long way to distinguishing each series from another. I also think a major point for a 25th-Century series is to move things forward, to have a new status quo already in place after a period of time has passed and to see how different things have become as the series unfolds.
A starship explores some uncharted area of the galaxy.
Starfleet takes over a space station in orbit around a planet as it enters the process of joining the Federation.
An accident hurls a starship to a distant part of the galaxy.
Several junior officers begin their careers as friends aboard a brand new starship.
Near a dangerous region of space, a Starfleet medical ship struggles to keep up with the sick and wounded.

Almost any of these basic premises could fit easily into the 23rd, the 24th, the 25th or the 39th centuries.
By that definition, they could fit easily in any sci-fi series (just use different names). But since this is Star Trek, I would like to see how things have changed in the 25th-Century and what's new there. I want to see what comes next in that Universe rather than stay forever in the TOS era.
To be sure, the era of any such show will impact its stories and characters. But in and of itself I don't find the question of era all that compelling.
That's really just a fundamental difference of opinion, because I find it very compelling.
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Old October 2 2013, 10:56 AM   #122
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I know how big the real galaxy is but,

they designated how far who goes where. Space filled up quick after all those series. I guess you can take it as the "faster than warp species" out of the galaxy.
All Star Trek maps are at best guesswork, but this one is simply wrong. As per First Contact, the Federation encompasses "8,000 light years"; the Milky Way galaxy is at least 100,000 light years in diameter. So the Federation can't be more than 1/10 of the galaxy (and probably quite less), while here it's at least half of the galaxy.

Also, no way the Kzinti/Tzenkethi and Talarians have a larger territory than the Cardassian Union.
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Old October 2 2013, 11:09 AM   #123
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I'd still like a Titan series. Live action or animated. And yes, with Frakes, Sirtis and Russ
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Old October 2 2013, 12:32 PM   #124
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I'd still like a Titan series. Live action or animated. And yes, with Frakes, Sirtis and Russ
Tuvok? I would hope that if is there is a Titan series, it would be completely disconnected from the Titan depicted in the books. Give the production team a fresh ship (other than Riker and Troi) to create their characters and stories.

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a Starfleet medical ship struggles to keep up with the sick and wounded.

Almost any of these basic premises could fit easily into the 23rd, the 24th, the 25th or the 39th centuries.
Given the advances in medical science shown on the series, the centuries would change a medical story quite a bit.

One of the problem with a 25th century show would be that the technology would be so far advance that it would be difficult to have any drama on the show, things would be too easy for the crew.

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Old October 2 2013, 12:50 PM   #125
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I would hope that if is there is a Titan series, it would be completely disconnected from the Titan depicted in the books. Give the production team a fresh ship (other than Riker and Troi) to create their characters and stories.
I agree to a point. Either canon Titan (with those actors/characters) for nostalgia. If not, completely different ship/crew. In which case, not bothered or take on merit.
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Old October 2 2013, 04:24 PM   #126
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One of the problem with a 25th century show would be that the technology would be so far advance that it would be difficult to have any drama on the show, things would be too easy for the crew.

My problem with this is the assumption conflict within stories of Star Trek are to be solved by technology. That has been too often the case. But I find it a sign of very lazy, bad writing that so many stories ended up structured that way. I remain far, far more interested in conflict between people and ideas.
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Old October 2 2013, 05:08 PM   #127
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One of the problem with a 25th century show would be that the technology would be so far advance that it would be difficult to have any drama on the show, things would be too easy for the crew.
And Superman will never be a compelling or successful character, because he's just too powerful.
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Old October 2 2013, 06:32 PM   #128
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iguana_tonante;8718760.[/QUOTE wrote:
And Superman will never be a compelling or successful character, because he's just too powerful.
In isolation superman really wasn't, because he was so powerful. However he wasn't surrounded by others like himself, it was his weaker friends, and those in his society that was the source of the drama.

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Old October 2 2013, 09:02 PM   #129
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One of the problem with a 25th century show would be that the technology would be so far advance that it would be difficult to have any drama on the show, things would be too easy for the crew.
That's not really a given for a 25th-Century series. If anything, there should be new challenges that arise to create new drama. Truthfully, though, any new technology will have some kind of new limitation, or there will be someone else out there that could take away any advantages it might have.
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Old October 2 2013, 11:09 PM   #130
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Ok, that was just the first map I found, and they all fluctuate but my original point was that 25th century tech, after Nemesis, Voyager, and NuTrek (with a Prime Spock with the know-how to make artificial blackholes) wrapped up, would have to be amazingly upgraded.

I figure every part of the Milkyway galaxy is reachable by then, with a strong feeling that Borg space will be greatly reduced, and relations between ex-warring species has the galaxy on edge. I'd limit the number of warp capable species to make it work, but a ship (which I would name Enterprise G) could be testing out a wormhole-warp engine by then, to seek out newer and stranger species beyond our galaxy.
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iguana_tonante;8718760.[/QUOTE wrote:
And Superman will never be a compelling or successful character, because he's just too powerful.
In isolation superman really wasn't, because he was so powerful. However he wasn't surrounded by others like himself, it was his weaker friends, and those in his society that was the source of the drama.

I.E. what matters is the story, not the powers and abilities of the characters. Which was my point.

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Ok, that was just the first map I found, and they all fluctuate but my original point was that 25th century tech, after Nemesis, Voyager, and NuTrek (with a Prime Spock with the know-how to make artificial blackholes) wrapped up, would have to be amazingly upgraded.

I figure every part of the Milkyway galaxy is reachable by then, with a strong feeling that Borg space will be greatly reduced, and relations between ex-warring species has the galaxy on edge. I'd limit the number of warp capable species to make it work, but a ship (which I would name Enterprise G) could be testing out a wormhole-warp engine by then, to seek out newer and stranger species beyond our galaxy.
Or we might concentrate on narratives, instead of technobabbles.
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Old October 3 2013, 02:01 AM   #132
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I figure every part of the Milkyway galaxy is reachable by then, with a strong feeling that Borg space will be greatly reduced, and relations between ex-warring species has the galaxy on edge. I'd limit the number of warp capable species to make it work, but a ship (which I would name Enterprise G) could be testing out a wormhole-warp engine by then, to seek out newer and stranger species beyond our galaxy.
Our Galaxy is an extremely big place--and it extends in three dimensions. When we look at any particular map of the Galaxy, all we see are the largest concentrations of stars (the core and the so-called arms). There are also stars that aren't visible both above and below the galactic plane because their concentrations aren't as heavy, and as such, they don't glow as brightly together. Our Galaxy isn't so much a flat disk, but a very large sphere with a very visible cross section.

There is potentially about a trillion star systems in our Galaxy. Even with transwarp or slipstream drive, it could take further centuries (if not millennia) to explore them all. And that's not even counting the countless star clusters that are within the Galaxy's sphere. Each of those clusters could contain tens to hundreds of thousands of stars.

Forget other galaxies. Heck, you'd need transwarp drive to really explore our Galaxy, IMO.
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Old October 3 2013, 02:40 AM   #133
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Yes, this map here (with all the Alpha and Beta Quadrant Most known Species we know [before Voyager's Delta Quadrant Trek]), seems much more realistic to me, with the Alpha and beta Quadrant powers we are familiar with all bunched up close to the separator line between the Alpha and beta Quadrants

http://www.stdimension.org/int/Carto...wdiv.htm#shape

Also, even on this map, the Dominion Space is huge, and it's just a fraction of the Gamma Quadrant.
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Old October 3 2013, 05:49 AM   #134
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Oh yeah that is a MUCH better map!
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Old October 3 2013, 09:03 PM   #135
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Yeah, my map sucked but 100 years after Janeway brought back transwarp they would have perfected it, exploring a great portion of the milkyway, plus who's to say how many worlds are warp capable?
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