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Old October 2 2013, 06:00 AM   #31
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Re: JJ Abrams apologizes for lens flare

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If the majority of fans dislike it then he should stop it. Please the fans should be #1.


And really, haters are louder than the vast majority who are just indifferent. I didn't even notice the frakking lens flare until I read about it on the BBS. Now, I'm fond of it. I do agree that it will date the movie, not sure how that is a big problem though.
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Old October 2 2013, 07:16 AM   #32
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... its such a stupid thing to be arguing about.
So why add to it? Ain't irony great.
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Old October 2 2013, 08:10 AM   #33
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Re: JJ Abrams apologizes for lens flare

I was going to ask if there was any lens flare in STID because I didn't notice it.
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Old October 2 2013, 03:09 PM   #34
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I was going to ask if there was any lens flare in STID because I didn't notice it.
Lens flares are dialled back a bit in STID compared to XI. The scenes set on the Enterprise are still loaded with excessive lens flares, especially the bridge. But there doesn't seem to be as much everywhere else.
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Old October 2 2013, 04:27 PM   #35
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I was going to ask if there was any lens flare in STID because I didn't notice it.
Lens flares are dialled back a bit in STID compared to XI. The scenes set on the Enterprise are still loaded with excessive lens flares, especially the bridge. But there doesn't seem to be as much everywhere else.
Something is different though. In ST'09, I was pretty well blinded on the bridge scenes (Didn't have a problem with Lens Flares anywhere else), but, I wasn't bothered by them in STiD (And I did just recently watch ST'09, so, it's not that I've gotten used to being blinded when watching the bridge scenes)
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Old October 2 2013, 05:50 PM   #36
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I like the lens flares when they aren't so ridiculous that they don't make you see what is happening ....and will miss them in the third movie I like the continuity in the style
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Old October 2 2013, 06:03 PM   #37
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So why add to it? Ain't irony great.
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Old October 3 2013, 01:49 PM   #38
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I was going to ask if there was any lens flare in STID because I didn't notice it.
Lens flares are dialled back a bit in STID compared to XI. The scenes set on the Enterprise are still loaded with excessive lens flares, especially the bridge. But there doesn't seem to be as much everywhere else.
Something is different though. In ST'09, I was pretty well blinded on the bridge scenes (Didn't have a problem with Lens Flares anywhere else), but, I wasn't bothered by them in STiD (And I did just recently watch ST'09, so, it's not that I've gotten used to being blinded when watching the bridge scenes)
maybe you didn't see them in STiD because you were already blind after ST09?

all jokes aside, I've absolutely no problems with the flares, I think they are a great stylistic choice. In fact I'd prefer that whoever takes the directors chair next time includes at least a decent number of them
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Old October 3 2013, 02:24 PM   #39
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Lens flares are dialled back a bit in STID compared to XI. The scenes set on the Enterprise are still loaded with excessive lens flares, especially the bridge. But there doesn't seem to be as much everywhere else.
Something is different though. In ST'09, I was pretty well blinded on the bridge scenes (Didn't have a problem with Lens Flares anywhere else), but, I wasn't bothered by them in STiD (And I did just recently watch ST'09, so, it's not that I've gotten used to being blinded when watching the bridge scenes)
maybe you didn't see them in STiD because you were already blind after ST09?
Ouch, Touche

all jokes aside, I've absolutely no problems with the flares, I think they are a great stylistic choice. In fact I'd prefer that whoever takes the directors chair next time includes at least a decent number of them
Yea, like I said they don't bother me aside from on the stark white bridge in the first movie, something was toned down about them on the bridge in STiD, maybe coming at you from an angle, instead of head on?
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Old October 4 2013, 03:53 AM   #40
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I had no problem with the lens flare. It looked great in some shots, like in the Kelvin scene which is the first time a shot of a ship in Star Trek felt real.
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Old October 4 2013, 02:31 PM   #41
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The initial Kelvin fly-by is one of the worse uses the lens flare. Every individual window on that ship had a lens flare. Totally distracting and uncalled for. Hell, it was enough to make me forget about the zero in the registry.
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Old October 7 2013, 03:54 PM   #42
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I had no problem with the lens flare. It looked great in some shots, like in the Kelvin scene which is the first time a shot of a ship in Star Trek felt real.
I'm also among those who liked the use lens flare in both films. They add a distinctive look to the movies that help convey the shiny quasi-utopian future that defines Trek. After years of sci-fi that employs a dark and gritty visual style, I found JJ's approach to the look of Trek to be refreshing.
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Old October 7 2013, 04:20 PM   #43
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Re: JJ Abrams apologizes for lens flare

ST09 is the only Abrams production (film or television) I have seen. I had seen previews and trailers for his other films and his visual style doesn't captivate me at all, primarily because of shakey cam and handheld camera doing constant whip pans to the next person speaking or whatever we're supposed to see. It seems to be some fashionable thing to do for the last ten years or so for some filmmakers.

I will say that the moving camera shot during Spock's beam down to disintegrating Vulcan impressed me from an effects standpoint, and I'm still not quite sure how they accomplished it.
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Old October 8 2013, 12:30 AM   #44
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The lens flares and shaky cam will definitely dating these films the most. The last decade in film and TV consists of truly bad cinematography, hiding behind the term "stylistic device". Shaky cam, over and underexposure, extreme noise, zooming, bad framing of shots. Not something to be proud of.

Decades went into the development of camera stabalization and lens flare reduction techniques. And todays DPs just say "fuck it" and make ugly images intentionally. I hate it.
Didn't this crap start with Cloverfield?

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those petty and mean spirited Trekkies out there that hate his movies just because
As one of those "petty" and "mean spirited" people who refuse to pretend bad filmmaking is good filmmaking, I am pleased to report that Abrams has failed to infuriate me. I actually find the "admitting you're an addict is the first step toward recovery" comment quite funny.

It does make me wonder, though, if Abrams has now birthed a new generation of rabid fandom who will see future movies by other directors and complain: "Where's the trademark lens flare that made the old movies great? This just doesn't feel like Trek to me."
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He knows he cannot use them in Star Wars without drawing comparisons to his Trek so this is a preemptive explanation for their absence in SW.
He cannot do anything without drawing comparisons to his Trek. You heard it here first.

I'm already looking forward to that. Trek fans complaining about the great stuff in Wars and why he didn't do that in Trek. Or Wars fans complaining why he did do some stuff in Trek and not in Wars. And the complaining why he did the same stuff he did in Trek also in Wars.
This too. Anyone wanna speculate on how many Trek vs Wars threads we'll see here? Might even warrant a separate forum.
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Old October 8 2013, 09:22 AM   #45
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Re: JJ Abrams apologizes for lens flare

I can't figure out what Abrams is trying to accomplish here. Either he knows what he is doing as a filmmaker and stands by his "artistic" decisions or he doesn't (could say a thing or two whether he is an able filmmaker or not).

I would have rather preferred an apology for this TWOK derivative scene in the warp core room and the slapstick nature of it (why don't they have a sledgehammer in there to "fix" things when necessary).

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