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Old September 30 2013, 07:43 AM   #31
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Re: It's Over.

Why can't we have both types of novels in the 24th century? I really do enjoy the scope of books like Typhon Pact, Cold Equations, and (hopfully) The Fall, but I wouldn't mind a good old fashioned planet/alien/mission-of-the-week style adventure for the TNG or DS9 crews every now and then.

To me, Titan started out as a good mix of both. Developing character threads continuing across more-or-less episodic plots within their greater mission of exploring the Beta Quadrant. But Titan has certainly lost a step or two over the last few novels. I remember Christopher saying in another thread that he and Titan seem to have "diverged paths" or something to that effect, which is a shame. Titan's original exploration focus seemed well-served by Christopher's more (relatively-speaking) "hard science" approach. Orion's Hounds still remains my favorite Titan book, and one of my favorite 24th century books, period.

As for the 23rd century, while I enjoy TOS novels in general, can we try for a little balance there, too? A couple of 5YM stories, a couple of movie-era tales perhaps with a little interconnectivity or not, maybe a book moving into the Lost Era with Spock, Chekov, Sulu and Uhura... Getting 5YM repeatedly, for months at a stretch, wears a little thin for me.

I realize we haven't been getting two books a month like the old days for quite some time now, so there isn't as much room on the schedule, but I really, really would like to see things mixed up a bit more. But my desires are apparently at odds with Pocket's editorial and marketing philosophies these days.

If IDW's Trek comics were even half as well-written as DC's, Wildstorm's and Marvel's late 90s books' were, I'd be happy to get my "episodic" dose there, but on the whole, current Trek comics are horrendously bad.

I just want more variety than we've been getting. But that's just me, and I realize that my own personal tastes don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
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Old September 30 2013, 09:30 AM   #32
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Re: It's Over.

When I read the title, i thought that someone else has become frustrated about the current state of trek lit too.
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I don't want characters to become unrecognizable though.
That's the key and the reason why i dropped the DS9 Relaunch.



I don't mind character progress and i fully appreciate that the writers want to use the whole playground. But these developments are not authentic. That's like Kirk dropping command of the Enterprise and pursuing a scientific career - nonsense.

And the events in the other novels ... especially the Jesus-, ahm, Janeway-story and 'Cold Equations' are way over-the-top.

So, my personal wish is to have stories that are interconnected, show character development but are not totally distorting the characters.

Just my 2c.
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Old October 2 2013, 02:13 PM   #33
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I've enjoyed the "cold war"-esque adventures of late, but I'm ready to get back to weird science adventures in Trek . . .
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Old October 2 2013, 03:36 PM   #34
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I've enjoyed the "cold war"-esque adventures of late, but I'm ready to get back to weird science adventures in Trek . . .
David Mack's recent TNG trilogy, Cold Equations, may fit your bill. David McIntee's TNG: Indistinguishable from Magic may also be right up your alley. They aren't what you'd call "cold war"-esque stories. Lots of fun science adventure stuff
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Old October 3 2013, 07:02 AM   #35
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Re: It's Over.

As a new reader, this is a very interesting discussion. What drew me towards the ST novels was questions like "So what happened to Picard?" But what got me reading was when someone literally handed me the Destiny trilogy saying "This guy blows up the universe."

What's interesting is this is the same discussion I've seen before on the message boards for that *other* Star universe. For years the books all seemed to be the same. Some large threat or super weapon that involves the big three heroes coming together to stop it. But with "New Jedi Order" major characters were killed, and the universe was greatly changed. People were very angry but boy did they buy the books! Seemed liked people who hated the series were the first to buy a copy to trash review them!

If someone was looking for pocket stories I would highly recommend the Voyager relaunch by Kirsten Beyer. They're happily back zipping through the universe far away from anything called Typhon! Great stories that generally conclude with each novel.
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Old October 3 2013, 05:41 PM   #36
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"Does anyone remember when we used to be explorers?" - Captain Picard, Insurrection

That's pretty much how I feel about the 24th century in general now. Political intrigue from DS9 is what I want and expect, and I recognize that the Enterprise is going to be involved in it, too -- at times. But I would still like to see her out there, occasionally, too.

And if you're not going to do it with TNG books anymore, then at least let Titan be what it was supposed to be -- a return to the sense of exploration and discovery that is the core of Star Trek.

And please... just once... can we see the Aventine doing something like that, too? Most advanced ship in the fleet, and all she's been doing is playing diplomatic courier.
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Old October 3 2013, 10:52 PM   #37
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Re: It's Over.

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"Does anyone remember when we used to be explorers?" - Captain Picard, Insurrection

That's pretty much how I feel about the 24th century in general now. Political intrigue from DS9 is what I want and expect, and I recognize that the Enterprise is going to be involved in it, too -- at times. But I would still like to see her out there, occasionally, too.

And if you're not going to do it with TNG books anymore, then at least let Titan be what it was supposed to be -- a return to the sense of exploration and discovery that is the core of Star Trek.

And please... just once... can we see the Aventine doing something like that, too? Most advanced ship in the fleet, and all she's been doing is playing diplomatic courier.
I agree. Especially about Titan and the Aventine, my two favorite 24th century ships.
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Old October 4 2013, 02:17 AM   #38
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Re: It's Over.

I have to admit that I've been pretty disappointed by the Typhon Pact story arc as a whole. I haven't enjoyed a Trek book since 'Synthesis'. After the epic sheer destructiveness of Destiny, which i wholeheartedly enjoyed I was looking forward to a return to exploration based stories. This was briefly done by Titan but it quickly got caught up in Typhon Pact shenanigans.

I'm just tired of continual conflict. There is enough of it going on in real life that i don't need to have a string of books dedicated to it.

Bring back the stories of new worlds and new civilisations. Titan and Aventine need to be WAY OUT THERE, seeing wonders that no one has ever seen.
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Old October 4 2013, 03:58 AM   #39
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TJ Sinclair wrote: View Post
And please... just once... can we see the Aventine doing something like that, too? Most advanced ship in the fleet, and all she's been doing is playing diplomatic courier.
I dunno... SF seems to still only have a limited number of QSD ships, so it almost makes sense in-universe that some of the Vesta class are going to be utilized as rapid-response troubleshooters. We have seen some of the Vestas exploring (Quirinal and Esquiline), but Starfleet's going to want to keep some of them on-hand for emergencies.

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Bring back the stories of new worlds and new civilisations.
Perhaps you'll find Seekers more your cup of tea!
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Old October 4 2013, 07:06 PM   #40
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I have to admit that I've been pretty disappointed by the Typhon Pact story arc as a whole. I haven't enjoyed a Trek book since 'Synthesis'. After the epic sheer destructiveness of Destiny, which i wholeheartedly enjoyed I was looking forward to a return to exploration based stories. This was briefly done by Titan but it quickly got caught up in Typhon Pact shenanigans.

I'm just tired of continual conflict. There is enough of it going on in real life that i don't need to have a string of books dedicated to it.

Bring back the stories of new worlds and new civilisations. Titan and Aventine need to be WAY OUT THERE, seeing wonders that no one has ever seen.
And I'm sick of new worlds and new civilisations stories : TOS, TNG, Voyager and Enterprise on TV, several hundred novels...it's the political intrigue that's making Treklit so interesting thesedays. Titan is one of my least favourite titles for that very reason. There's no need to waste the Aventine in that manner. Titan and Voyager novels fit the new worlds brief and Seekers is coming soon too.

My point is, there is already plenty of both types of story - we both appreciate opposite ends of the Trek spectrum, but we're both catered for...
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Old October 4 2013, 10:58 PM   #41
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I have to admit that I've been pretty disappointed by the Typhon Pact story arc as a whole. I haven't enjoyed a Trek book since 'Synthesis'. After the epic sheer destructiveness of Destiny, which i wholeheartedly enjoyed I was looking forward to a return to exploration based stories. This was briefly done by Titan but it quickly got caught up in Typhon Pact shenanigans.

I'm just tired of continual conflict. There is enough of it going on in real life that i don't need to have a string of books dedicated to it.

Bring back the stories of new worlds and new civilisations. Titan and Aventine need to be WAY OUT THERE, seeing wonders that no one has ever seen.
And I'm sick of new worlds and new civilisations stories : TOS, TNG, Voyager and Enterprise on TV, several hundred novels...it's the political intrigue that's making Treklit so interesting thesedays. Titan is one of my least favourite titles for that very reason. There's no need to waste the Aventine in that manner. Titan and Voyager novels fit the new worlds brief and Seekers is coming soon too.

My point is, there is already plenty of both types of story - we both appreciate opposite ends of the Trek spectrum, but we're both catered for...
Don't get me wrong, I should have clarified that I do like political intrigue and conflict and not wholly against it at all. I mean every story ever written has conflict in one form or another.

Your response got me thinking about why i'm not engaging with the typhon pact novels. Initially I was pretty excited by the concept of the Typhon Pact. I really enjoyed Zero sum game but didn't enjoy Seize the fire, rough beast of empire or paths of disharmony. I think because of that, I haven't really engaged with the following novels.

I don't think it's actually the theme or plotline that has put me off. In the case of Seize the fire it was terrible writing and Rough beasts I didn't enjoy the structure of the book and it felt laboured. I think it's been the quality of some of the books that has me losing interest.

I do really want to read The Fall so I think i'm going to do a big trek re-read and see if my opinion changes.

Also I do think Aventine does need at least one stand alone book where it puts it's slipstream drive to good use and does some exploring

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Old October 5 2013, 05:56 PM   #42
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I'd like to see the Aventine get it's own novel occasionally. If not, regular features in the DS9 based novels would be good, or it could get sent to deliver something to / resupply the Voyager fleet...
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Old October 5 2013, 07:07 PM   #43
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Old October 5 2013, 10:52 PM   #44
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Works for me...

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Old October 6 2013, 09:33 AM   #45
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or it could get sent to deliver something to / resupply the Voyager fleet...
Works for me...

Janeway, abusing her position as Admiral.

But yeah, works for me, too.
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