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Old October 1 2013, 04:15 PM   #31
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Just think "Long, long time ago. When the galaxy was still new" performed by Justin Bieber. Instant chart topper for weeks.
Oh God. I just had a terrible vision of Rihanna performing "Steppin' Into Eden." I want you to know that I blame you for this.
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Old October 1 2013, 04:22 PM   #32
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

Spock was probably a bit biased, since Khan was the only enemy that ever killed him. Kirk might have the same bias with Soran
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Old October 1 2013, 05:11 PM   #33
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No, I agree that Khan was the most dangerous. He was brilliant, ruthless, obsessed, and wanted to kill everyone, and then conquer the universe. Also, it took Spock sacrificing his own life to finally foil Khan for good. As for why he is considered to me Kirk's Joker, it's for several reasons. One, Montalban was fantastic. Two, Khan and Kirk had a personal rivalry. Three, they made the Moby Dick analogy very relevant to Khan. Also, Khan killed Spock, so of course he's going to say that.
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Old October 1 2013, 05:14 PM   #34
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Spock was exaggerating for NuKirk's sake. He knows the kid has a hard time taking anything but himself seriously so some pretentious labels might focus him.
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Old October 1 2013, 05:41 PM   #35
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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Honestly, I would have thought the Klingons would have been more recognizable and the ones with more merit to be called Trek's "defining villains" and STID should have been about them.
The Klingons were overused villains in the TOS movies. For most people that watched them, they were nothing special. Khan's rivalry with Kirk was more memorable.
My point is, walk up to random John Everyman or Average Joe on the street and ask them who the bad guys in Star Trek are. I'm sure more will say "the Klingons" then will say "Khan."
You know aome people say that VOY killed off the Borg as mysterious villains.
TNG killed the Klingons off as villains. They're now our 'friends'. Our allies, frat boys.
I know nuTrek is set before that happens but the Klingons that are so well known by Average Joe will be the 'friendly' TNG/DS9 Klingons not Kor or Colonel Chang.
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Old October 1 2013, 05:46 PM   #36
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Honestly, I would have thought the Klingons would have been more recognizable and the ones with more merit to be called Trek's "defining villains" and STID should have been about them.
The Klingons were overused villains in the TOS movies. For most people that watched them, they were nothing special. Khan's rivalry with Kirk was more memorable.
My point is, walk up to random John Everyman or Average Joe on the street and ask them who the bad guys in Star Trek are. I'm sure more will say "the Klingons" then will say "Khan."
You know aome people say that VOY killed off the Borg as mysterious villains.
TNG killed the Klingons off as villains. They're now our 'friends'. Our allies, frat boys.
I know nuTrek is set before that happens but the Klingons that are so well known by Average Joe will be the 'friendly' TNG/DS9 Klingons not Kor or Colonel Chang.
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Old October 1 2013, 11:53 PM   #37
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Old October 2 2013, 12:06 AM   #38
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Personally I don't even think he was the most interesting villain they faced in TOS. Kor, Kang, Trelane, and The Romulan Commander had a lot more pathos and depth, imho.
Had John Colicos been available to reprise Kor in "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "The Day of the Dove", as originally pitched, maybe the first Trek movie would have featured him, too.
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Old October 2 2013, 02:58 AM   #39
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Personally I don't even think he was the most interesting villain they faced in TOS. Kor, Kang, Trelane, and The Romulan Commander had a lot more pathos and depth, imho.
Had John Colicos been available to reprise Kor in "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "The Day of the Dove", as originally pitched, maybe the first Trek movie would have featured him, too.
It's a great "what could've been." Imagine what TUC would've been like with Colicos as Kor instead of Plummer as a totally new character, Chang.
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Old October 2 2013, 03:10 AM   #40
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Even Soran was more dangerous. He was only defeated by forming a tag-team and then literally going back in time to before he won and even then he still killed Kirk.
Add onto that Soran set into motion the plan that resulted in the Enterprise's destruction. He is one dangerous mofo.

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Old October 4 2013, 04:29 AM   #41
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There's always Ilia.
She's not a casualty. She's "listed as missing".

And she did return in the first post-TMP comic strip by the LA Times Syndicate.
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Old October 4 2013, 05:03 AM   #42
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I suppose it could be interpreted as really meaning most dangerous for the crew, rather than in general. Which would still be debatable. But he was the only one who ever succeeded in actually killing a main character...
That explains why Khan is the most dangerous villain to fans, but there are no main characters from Spock's point of view. In universe Spock is no more important than Red Shirt #554.
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Old October 4 2013, 05:26 AM   #43
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She's not a casualty. She's "listed as missing".

And she did return in the first post-TMP comic strip by the LA Times Syndicate.
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I suppose it could be interpreted as really meaning most dangerous for the crew, rather than in general. Which would still be debatable. But he was the only one who ever succeeded in actually killing a main character...
That explains why Khan is the most dangerous villain to fans, but there are no main characters from Spock's point of view. In universe Spock is no more important than Red Shirt #554.
Red Shirt #554 hadn't survived a tenth of the crazy shit Spock dealt with every week, nor saved the whole galaxy from a giant space amoeba.
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Spock was exaggerating for NuKirk's sake. He knows the kid has a hard time taking anything but himself seriously so some pretentious labels might focus him.
Yea, perhaps Red shirt # 554 is no more important to Spock then himself, but, definitely the other main characters are more important to him than Red Shirt #554 (Especially Kirk)
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