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Old October 1 2013, 02:29 AM   #16
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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I suppose it could be interpreted as really meaning most dangerous for the crew, rather than in general. Which would still be debatable. But he was the only one who ever succeeded in actually killing a main character...
Nomad killed Scotty.
Shore Leave Knight killed McCoy.
Deaths only count when they stick.
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Old October 1 2013, 02:39 AM   #17
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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I suppose it could be interpreted as really meaning most dangerous for the crew, rather than in general. Which would still be debatable. But he was the only one who ever succeeded in actually killing a main character...
Nomad killed Scotty.
Shore Leave Knight killed McCoy.
Deaths only count when they stick.
Like Spock's?
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Old October 1 2013, 02:44 AM   #18
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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Nomad killed Scotty.
Shore Leave Knight killed McCoy.
Deaths only count when they stick.
Like Spock's?
Spock coming back definitely lessen the impact of this death.
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Old October 1 2013, 02:49 AM   #19
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Deaths only count when they stick.
Like Spock's?
Spock coming back definitely lessen the impact of this death.
There's always Ilia.
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Old October 1 2013, 03:00 AM   #20
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Re: Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

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They treated the whole Khan thing way too comic book like. Khan is not the Joker, who is a constant enemy of Batman. Khan is just one of many antagonists, and the crew had to face a lot more problems and adventures.

They confronted V'Ger, the Whale Probe and stopped a Klingon-Federation conspiracy. All that was far more dangerous than Khan ever could haved dreamed of being.
Totally agree. I never understood how this myth got started that Khan is Trek's defining villain, the Joker to Kirk's Batman. He was villain of the week in one episode and brought back in one movie. Yes, it was the most popular movie, but it is only one movie. Honestly, I would have thought the Klingons would have been more recognizable and the ones with more merit to be called Trek's "defining villains" and STID should have been about them.
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Old October 1 2013, 03:15 AM   #21
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Honestly, I would have thought the Klingons would have been more recognizable and the ones with more merit to be called Trek's "defining villains" and STID should have been about them.
The Klingons were overused villains in the TOS movies. For most people that watched them, they were nothing special. Khan's rivalry with Kirk was more memorable.
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Old October 1 2013, 03:55 AM   #22
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Honestly, I would have thought the Klingons would have been more recognizable and the ones with more merit to be called Trek's "defining villains" and STID should have been about them.
The Klingons were overused villains in the TOS movies. For most people that watched them, they were nothing special. Khan's rivalry with Kirk was more memorable.
My point is, walk up to random John Everyman or Average Joe on the street and ask them who the bad guys in Star Trek are. I'm sure more will say "the Klingons" then will say "Khan."
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Old October 1 2013, 10:16 AM   #23
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Deaths only count when they stick.
Like Spock's?
Spock coming back definitely lessen the impact of this death.
But they did at least have to work for Spock's resurrection. Every other 'death' was nullified with basically no effort before the episode in question even ended.
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Old October 1 2013, 11:04 AM   #24
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Funny the biggest thing I think of when I think of Space Seed is the phrase "I become fatigued" and a week minded crew member constantly switching loyalty.

Most people who dont know much about Star Trek if you asked them wouldnt get further than Klingons and Spock and wouldnt name Khan.
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Old October 1 2013, 11:07 AM   #25
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As a single character, I'd say it is true that Khan is the most dangerous enemy the crew ever encountered. He took over a federation ship with ease, crippled the Enterprise and tested Kirk right to the end.

And who are we to argue with Spock anyway?
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Old October 1 2013, 02:19 PM   #26
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When one thinks about it, in terms of the combination of being brilliant, evil, charismatic, unredeemable, and egomaniacally uncompromising in his pursuits, maybe Khan was the worst they faced. And while the stakes were certainly high with V-ger and the probe in TVH, imagine what Khan and 72 other supermen and superwomen like him could've done running amok around the alpha quadrant with the Enterprise if they had taken it in "Space Seed", or if Khan had revived his people and captured the Vengeance in STID.

Edited to add: Spock may also think that because he's someone who would generally admire and appreciate great intellect in a person, but he saw it going to waste in Khan.
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Old October 1 2013, 02:25 PM   #27
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Characters like General Chang were more dangerous opponents, IMO, as they at least fully understood starship battle tactics, and Chang's actions, had he succeeded, would have devastated the entire galaxy. Khan is really defeated quite easily in "Space Seed" and in TWOK, where Kirk basically kicks the crap out of Khan in the final act with comparatively minimal damage to the Enterprise.
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As a single character, I'd say it is true that Khan is the most dangerous enemy the crew ever encountered. He took over a federation ship with ease, crippled the Enterprise and tested Kirk right to the end.

And who are we to argue with Spock anyway?
So did space-hippies. Doesn't mean they should get a movie.
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Old October 1 2013, 03:13 PM   #29
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As a single character, I'd say it is true that Khan is the most dangerous enemy the crew ever encountered. He took over a federation ship with ease, crippled the Enterprise and tested Kirk right to the end.

And who are we to argue with Spock anyway?
So did space-hippies. Doesn't mean they should get a movie.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea. The hippy songs can be performed by pop stars thereby giving another outlet for the movie's promotion. Just think "Long, long time ago. When the galaxy was still new" performed by Justin Bieber. Instant chart topper for weeks.
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Old October 1 2013, 03:44 PM   #30
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Even Soran was more dangerous. He was only defeated by forming a tag-team and then literally going back in time to before he won and even then he still killed Kirk.
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