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Old September 30 2013, 05:00 PM   #106
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Re: Why the lack of Classic characters?

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I have no doubt that Moffat cares a lot about Doctor Who.
Straightforward proof of that is that he was a regular at the first Thursday fan get together at the Fitzroy Tavern from the mid-1990s, and when the rest of the fans who were working on the new series stopped going around 2005, he carried on (memorable quote, when people were discussing The Girl in the Fireplace a week before its transmission: "Good god, is there anyone in this pub who hasn't already seen a preview disc?"), right up until the moment he got the showrunner's job (despite people virtually pinning him to a wall and pointing a desklamp in his eyes to demand that he tell them if he was getting the job: "If I was asked I'd have to think about it."). Even since then he's turned up a few times (last November, most recently). You don't do that unless you love the show...
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Old September 30 2013, 06:16 PM   #107
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^ That's pretty neat!
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Old September 30 2013, 10:40 PM   #108
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Re: Why the lack of Classic characters?

Personally, I think Moffatt is showing respect by NOT including all those previous Doctors. They are the show's past, not its future. He's arguably shown more respect to what's come before than any previous producer, and I think he wants to preserve that legacy by leaving those great Doctors to be remembered the way they were, rather than shoehorning them into an episode for the sake of doing so - even if a servicable story could be written for it, and we know he's plenty capable of that too.

Still, he's been known to surprise us, and I think he still will here - even if there's SOME way to work past characters in. The utter disappointment of the "stings" this weekend (and man, did it sting) just makes the wait all the more unbearable, and with an impending regeneration also coming in mere months, being nice and comfortable with all sorts of fanwank like old Doctors and a current one with no hint of leaving is the last thing we need.

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Old October 1 2013, 03:36 AM   #109
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But the Two Doctors was terrible!
I don't know, I thought it was the best of Colin Baker's first season.
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Old October 1 2013, 03:58 AM   #110
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But the Two Doctors was terrible!
I don't know, I thought it was the best of Colin Baker's first season.
It's like saying that sarcomas are the best kind of cancer.
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Old October 1 2013, 05:43 AM   #111
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^ No, it's not like that at all.
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Old October 1 2013, 08:57 AM   #112
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Re: Why the lack of Classic characters?

The Two Doctors isn't bad, but it isn't spectacular either - and as a follow-up of Holmes after The Caves of Androzani, its pretty underwhelming. Plus, a lot of it is really, really boring. Its incredible, but it is. I like to think that if those three episodes were edited down to 25 minutes, they'd be more entertaining. The 45 minute format hurt the show back then.

Of course, the biggest plus about it was Patrick Troughton as the Second Doctor, who had substantially more to do than he did in The Five Doctors (still not a lot, though). AND, with Frazier Hines as Jamie, no less. The first half of the first episode is really neat.
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Old October 1 2013, 09:15 AM   #113
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Re: Why the lack of Classic characters?

I caught it on UK Gold or one of those channels a few years ago. Enjoyed the moments with Troughton and Hines and it's always nice to see two Doctors interacting (even if only briefly) but it wasn't an especially good story, by any means.
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Old October 1 2013, 01:53 PM   #114
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The Two Doctors isn't bad, but it isn't spectacular either - and as a follow-up of Holmes after The Caves of Androzani, its pretty underwhelming. Plus, a lot of it is really, really boring. Its incredible, but it is. I like to think that if those three episodes were edited down to 25 minutes, they'd be more entertaining. The 45 minute format hurt the show back then.

Of course, the biggest plus about it was Patrick Troughton as the Second Doctor, who had substantially more to do than he did in The Five Doctors (still not a lot, though). AND, with Frazier Hines as Jamie, no less. The first half of the first episode is really neat.
The best parts of the Two Doctors were the first 2 episodes, adding the third part made it feel padded. The beginning was exceptional.

I suspect that they kept Baker and Troughton separated so much was because Colin couldn't act his way out of a paper bag (nice guy that he is) and Troughton was phenomenal.

But, the concept of just taking a regular episode of the season and getting a classic Doctor and companion is one that is totally doable today, even more so.

And, of course, they'd need a good story. No premise, no matter how good, can survive a poor story and a poor execution. I'd also add that just being a regular episode of a season, rather than a special story, reduces the stakes and expectations.

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