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Old September 28 2013, 06:47 PM   #16
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I just figured that it was a flub in the writing, acting, and/or direction that nobody caught, just as it happens in many, many TV shows and movies (Trek and otherwise) anyway.

Still sounded funny, though. Gatt might not be done with his report, but Kirk appeared, at least for a split second, to turn away from him. Give the shot a couple more seconds and it would seem like Kirk might have walked away thinking, "God, you're useless, I already heard that there was major hull damage! I'm going to ask someone else!"
Your description reminds me of Classic Kirk - impatiently pacing from station to station looking for someone to supply the answer he so desperately needs.
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Old September 28 2013, 06:51 PM   #17
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Don't question the fallibility of the writers or they might just curse you out on the internet After all 'they' get to write the movies for a reason, we don't!
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Old September 28 2013, 07:28 PM   #18
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What has been lost in this thread is that Kirk does not, in fact, say, "Where's the hull damage?" He simply asks, "Where's the damage?"

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Old September 28 2013, 08:44 PM   #19
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Don't question the fallibility of the writers or they might just curse you out on the internet After all 'they' get to write the movies for a reason, we don't!
I like you man, but that's not a fair assessment of what happened at all.
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Old September 29 2013, 12:30 AM   #20
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What has been lost in this thread is that Kirk does not, in fact, say, "Where's the hull damage?" He simply asks, "Where's the damage?"
His question to Gatt immediately follows the female crewmember telling him "Sir, we have a bulkhead breach!"

So, "major hull damage" is pretty much a "duh!" answer at this point. This line could have been fixed with something like:

"Major damage to Engineering, Captain!"
"Major lower-deck hull damage, Captain!"
"You're a major ass, Captain -- I quit!"
etc...
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Old September 29 2013, 02:21 AM   #21
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Lol. I just watched the scene where the Vengeance warps up on the Enterprise and attacks them blowing a hole in the side hull where the torpedoes were last seen in their launchers. Anyway, Kirk yells out "Damage Report". A redshirt yoeman (I guess) gets up and tells Kirk "We have a hull breach sir". Kirk walks to Gatt-2000 at his station and asks "Where's the hull damage?". Gatt looks at Kirk and responds "Major hull damage Captain" as Kirk walks by. I mean WTF lol, that is not what Kirk asked him. Maybe that thing on the back of the head shorted out or the writers goofed up and didn't catch it. Check it out below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8BYyBLsCUk
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Old September 29 2013, 09:34 AM   #22
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Re: Kirk To Gatt-"Where's The Hull Damage?" Gatt-"Major Hull Damage Ca

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So, "major hull damage" is pretty much a "duh!" answer at this point. This line could have been fixed with something like:

"Major damage to Engineering, Captain!"
"Major lower-deck hull damage, Captain!"
"You're a major ass, Captain -- I quit!"
etc...
I think he's just talking about Major Houldemeje. That's less gibberish than you'd expect from your average Cylon Hybrid.
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Old September 30 2013, 07:12 PM   #23
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I just figured that it was a flub in the writing, acting, and/or direction that nobody caught, just as it happens in many, many TV shows and movies (Trek and otherwise) anyway.
This always puzzles me. Such a scene involves so many people and they do several takes. The actors alone: Sulu, the yellowshirt, the redshirt, the strange voice guy, Kirk, then the director, etc... Nobody notices that this piece of dialogue makes no sense?


What annoys me more is Sulu's "We're 200,000 kilometers from Earth." When exactly was he going to hit the brakes? And then when they cut to the exterior shots, they are in a close Moon orbit, which is a lot farther away.

I guess there are "flubs" in the entire film.
Yup.

Just re-calibrate your suspension of disbelief to conform to the reboot
In no way am I saying that STID is one of the finest movies of all time, but even the most tightly directed films in the history of mankind will have the occasional dialogue mishap. Movies are a large endeavor, no matter how you slice it, and are primarily judged by the entire product, not a half-second line. There are larger things in a movie to be concerned about rather than a misspoken or miswritten line. If one thinks STID sucks, it's not going to be from a death by a thousand paper cuts. As it is, that line is pretty inconsequential. And what if they said the right thing anyway? Would that have changed one's mind on the movie? No. No one's experience was ruined or brought to new heights because of a single descriptive line by a minor character which had no bearing on the outcome of the plot.

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So, "major hull damage" is pretty much a "duh!" answer at this point. This line could have been fixed with something like:

"Major damage to Engineering, Captain!"
"Major lower-deck hull damage, Captain!"
"You're a major ass, Captain -- I quit!"
etc...
I think he's just talking about Major Houldemeje. That's less gibberish than you'd expect from your average Cylon Hybrid.


Now that you mention it, I think Major Houldemeje is one of the great, unspoken recurring characters in all of Trek. I'm glad the Major made it to the JJverse
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Old September 30 2013, 07:16 PM   #24
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Re: Kirk To Gatt-"Where's The Hull Damage?" Gatt-"Major Hull Damage Ca

The first post is wrong. Kirk asks "where's the damage?" to which that guy says "Major hull damage captain."
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Old September 30 2013, 07:28 PM   #25
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Re: Kirk To Gatt-"Where's The Hull Damage?" Gatt-"Major Hull Damage Ca

He's a not a guy. And damage is still coming, he doesn't have a full report for Captain Demandypants. Really not an issue.
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Old September 30 2013, 08:00 PM   #26
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Huh, I thought it was more "we're totally fucked, that's where the damage is" comment, but said in a more professional way.
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Old September 30 2013, 08:02 PM   #27
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The first post is wrong. Kirk asks "where's the damage?" to which that guy says "Major hull damage captain."
Still it's not an answer to his question.
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Old September 30 2013, 08:13 PM   #28
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Don't question the fallibility of the writers or they might just curse you out on the internet After all 'they' get to write the movies for a reason, we don't!
I like you man, but that's not a fair assessment of what happened at all.
Lol I know, but it still irks me I just can't believe that a professional would say that, even if provoked. 'They' get to write movies because of a lot of factors, luck being a big one. And while their films have grossed a ton of money, I see the same maturity in their dialog that I do in the sentiment expressed in his comments.
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Old September 30 2013, 08:18 PM   #29
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Re: Kirk To Gatt-"Where's The Hull Damage?" Gatt-"Major Hull Damage Ca

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The first post is wrong. Kirk asks "where's the damage?" to which that guy says "Major hull damage captain."
Still it's not an answer to his question.
This is all really a "nothing to see here," thread.

But that was an answer. It means not the engines, not the dish, not the saucer, not the shuttle bay. It may not be specific, but in the heat of battle, it's enough information for Kirk to know the ship's in trouble. The words "major" and "hull damage" being the keys.
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Old September 30 2013, 10:07 PM   #30
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Don't question the fallibility of the writers or they might just curse you out on the internet After all 'they' get to write the movies for a reason, we don't!
I like you man, but that's not a fair assessment of what happened at all.
Lol I know, but it still irks me I just can't believe that a professional would say that, even if provoked. 'They' get to write movies because of a lot of factors, luck being a big one. And while their films have grossed a ton of money, I see the same maturity in their dialog that I do in the sentiment expressed in his comments.
Respectfully, what about the maturity expressed by fans?

Better question: What about the insane and egregious amount of hate the movie has gotten from these so-called "mature" fans?

I'm going to go ahead and respectfully disagree with you. Orci had every right to react the way he did given how those idiots on Twitter were treating him, and he even had the balls to apologize almost immediately afterward.

Conflating the scenario as "He gets to make movies because of a lot of factors including luck" is the easy way out. The fact is, he's a Hollywood screenwriter and we're not. We don't know what that job entails or what pressures and requirements he had to deal with to write the thing. To me, it's as easy as that.

I guess what I'm saying is there's constructive criticism like we all learned about in college and then there's internet vitriol. Had the criticisms against Orci been the former and he still reacted the way he did, I'd agree with you. But let's be honest here. What he was replying to was anything but constructing and entirely vitriolic by those "fans."

Better stated: If they can dish it out, they better be ready to take it. Being a Hollywood professional doesn't mean Orci's also a saint. Nor does being a fan necessarily equate to being suddenly impervious to being called out for their bad behavior.
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