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View Poll Results: On What Would You Like A New Trek Series Based?
A Starship 38 65.52%
A Fleet 7 12.07%
A Station 2 3.45%
A Colony 7 12.07%
Other (please specify) 4 6.90%
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Old September 27 2013, 07:14 PM   #121
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^Maybe they want the history, not the story style.
So--to be blunt, and a bit of an asshole--creative laziness? Someone else has done all the heavy lifting (world building, franchise market, etc), so just rubber stamp any sci-fi idea with Trek and sell it to the masses?
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Old September 27 2013, 07:28 PM   #122
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Why does any bit of Star Trek *have* to be Star Trek?
It's just odd that most of the people who claim to want Star Trek back don't really want it to be 'Star Trek'.
I find it odd that anyone would want a new Star Trek series to simply redo exactly what's already been done. If that's what you want, how do you want anything 'new'? Isn't it better to watch the dvds of the shows you already know you like and leave it at that, instead of hoping for something else that is as likely as not to end up disappointing you (for whatever reason)?
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Old September 27 2013, 07:33 PM   #123
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I find it odd that anyone would want a new Star Trek series to simply redo exactly what's already been done. If that's what you want, how do you want anything 'new'? Isn't it better to watch the dvds of the shows you already know you like and leave it at that, instead of hoping for something else that is as likely as not to end up disappointing you (for whatever reason)?
If you've read any of my posts, you'll know that I'm someone who really doesn't want Star Trek back on TV, in any form. But if it does come back, I want it to be recognizably 'Star Trek', not something wearing Star Trek's clothes.
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Old September 27 2013, 07:37 PM   #124
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^Maybe they want the history, not the story style.
So--to be blunt, and a bit of an asshole--creative laziness? Someone else has done all the heavy lifting (world building, franchise market, etc), so just rubber stamp any sci-fi idea with Trek and sell it to the masses?
Creative laziness could just as easily be applied to a new series based on taking all the old stories we know and love and... telling them again. And again. And again. In almost exactly the same style.

Why is it automatically the story style and nothing else that should define what Star Trek is?

Isn't the world that's been created a part of it, or the show's way of looking at the universe? Doesn't the core of Star Trek have at least something to do with the UFP and the utopian ideals it represents, or with the willingness to confront actually challenging questions of morality without automatically dumbing everything down to instant right and wrong?

Isn't it possible there are ways of telling stories about all that sort of thing without necessarily requiring that the main characters must without exception be the crew of a starship on a mission of exploration?
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Old September 27 2013, 07:40 PM   #125
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If you've read any of my posts, you'll know that I'm someone who really doesn't want Star Trek back on TV, in any form. But if it does come back, I want it to be recognizably 'Star Trek', not something wearing Star Trek's clothes.
If you don't actually want it back, then I certainly respect that. Honestly, I don't have any burning need to have it back on tv, either, and I don't really expect a new series to happen, anyway. Certainly not in the next 10-15 years. I'd just prefer that, if they are going to bring it back, they do something new and interesting with it.
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Old September 27 2013, 07:42 PM   #126
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Isn't it possible there are ways of telling stories about all that sort of thing without necessarily requiring that the main characters must without exception be the crew of a starship on a mission of exploration?
It's called Star Trek.

It would me like me turning on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D and finding out that its a sitcom about an elderly islamic woman and how she copes with her grandson's Jewish wife.
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Old September 27 2013, 07:48 PM   #127
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If you've read any of my posts, you'll know that I'm someone who really doesn't want Star Trek back on TV, in any form. But if it does come back, I want it to be recognizably 'Star Trek', not something wearing Star Trek's clothes.
If you don't actually want it back, then I certainly respect that. Honestly, I don't have any burning need to have it back on tv, either, and I don't really expect a new series to happen, anyway. Certainly not in the next 10-15 years. I'd just prefer that, if they are going to bring it back, they do something new and interesting with it.
But today or in fifteen or twenty years, there will be people who have never seen or heard of Star Trek. A new series will be their first exposure to it.

So I think any new series should remain true to the Star Trek premise. I'd love to have a new sci-fi series, but I'm not interested in shoe-horning something completely incompatible into the Star Trek universe in the name of doing something "new".
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Old September 27 2013, 08:15 PM   #128
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Not to toot my own horn or anything, but the question of "What is Star Trek?" now has its own thread. Created specifically because that's a fundamental question about all this.
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Old September 27 2013, 08:52 PM   #129
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Isn't it possible there are ways of telling stories about all that sort of thing without necessarily requiring that the main characters must without exception be the crew of a starship on a mission of exploration?
It's called Star Trek.

It would me like me turning on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D and finding out that its a sitcom about an elderly islamic woman and how she copes with her grandson's Jewish wife.
And all that time on all the different shows when they weren't on a spaceship and weren't trying to explore anything at all, I suppose none of that was Star Trek at all?

If it's the name that's bothering you - I'm not sure how a show following various different types of ships can even be construed as not constituting a 'trek through the stars'.
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Old September 27 2013, 08:55 PM   #130
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But today or in fifteen or twenty years, there will be people who have never seen or heard of Star Trek. A new series will be their first exposure to it.

So I think any new series should remain true to the Star Trek premise. I'd love to have a new sci-fi series, but I'm not interested in shoe-horning something completely incompatible into the Star Trek universe in the name of doing something "new".
I understand the logic, though I disagree that anything different automatically constitutes 'shoe-horning'. And I wouldn't even blame Paramount if they decided that kind of permanent reboot was the only thing that made financial sense for them.

But as for me - I've already seen TOS and TNG and Voy. I don't need to same the same stories a fourth time in the same style.
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Old September 28 2013, 03:00 PM   #131
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^That's why I choose fleet in the poll. Read my earlier post to see how I'd make a show out of it.
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Old September 28 2013, 05:52 PM   #132
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Of all the ideas presented in this subforum, the one I find most interesting would be a focus on a group of junior officers serving together--perhaps a core group of three or four with some supporting characters as well.

For continuity's sake (in terms of paradigms anyway) I'd stick them on board Enterprise-G, a huge vessel with a crew of roughly two thousand. We'd see the Captain or senior staff only once in awhile, and over time they might change--first officer moving up to command after the Captain gets promoted, etc. The main characters themselves would increasingly be seen as an effective team and thus assigned together for away teams and the like. During the course of the show this group might even get transferred to a new ship.

Me, I'd also avoid any clear sign whether this was the 'prime' timeline or not. You can certainly have Vulcans, but never mention that time Vulcan was destroyed back in the 23rd century. For example.
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Old September 28 2013, 09:00 PM   #133
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I would have said Enterprise H to leave the online ship out of it, have it be ran by an Admiral, and make the Junior-Officers Captains instead, specialists who transfer on and off ships in the fleet.
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Old September 28 2013, 10:07 PM   #134
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Okay, I'll bite. Why? I'm not trying to be smartass but I'm genuinely curious. I don't personally see any advantage in that.
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Old September 29 2013, 02:27 AM   #135
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^Scratch that Enterprise H bit, I was thinking of the F when you said G. As for making him Captain, he could take charge of whatever situation you put him in. One away mission, he'll command a ship, the next a station, the next an outpost on an alien planet.
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