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Old September 22 2013, 11:42 AM   #61
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Re: The Cage bridge.

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A wider shot left on the cutting room floor reveals Spock is actually gesturing to an "assistant" sitting at the science board to press some buttons or flip some switches.
That's what I always thought every time I saw that scene - he points at someone in order to let them know he wants the next slide displayed.
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Old September 22 2013, 09:28 PM   #62
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They lost the slide projectors on the overhead monitors because of the cost...the number of union operators required was too expensive.
That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
And an army of continuity people to make sure constantly-changing images match from shot to shot.
Not if you had, say, a static star chart on one, some seismograph like zig-zag pattern on another--something general.
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Old September 22 2013, 11:41 PM   #63
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That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
And an army of continuity people to make sure constantly-changing images match from shot to shot.
Not if you had, say, a static star chart on one, some seismograph like zig-zag pattern on another--something general.
I think some general static shots is what they *do* have.
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Old September 25 2013, 04:57 AM   #64
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He must want them all to have the warm glow of a monitor instead of the flat, lifeless printed-image look they had.
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Old September 26 2013, 06:09 PM   #65
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I thought the color scheme more closely resembles the TMP bridge.
Well, remember, they were still considering NOT using color and going Black and White for the series. The Bridge set for "The Cage was designed with that possibility in mind.

Once the decision to go color was certain, they redesigned the color scheme to 'show off' for color TVs (NBC had a stake in RCA at the time, and selling more color TVs helped the bottom line.)
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Old September 26 2013, 06:27 PM   #66
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Well, remember, they were still considering NOT using color and going Black and White for the series.
Do you have a source for that? It's news to me.

AFAIK, Star Trek was always planned to be in color. But, at a time when less than 10% of U.S. households had color TV, the show had to look acceptable in black-and-white as well (hence the change in Spock's makeup from a reddish hue to a yellowish skin tone).
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Old September 26 2013, 07:26 PM   #67
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(NBC had a stake in RCA at the time, and selling more color TVs helped the bottom line.)
Rather, NBC was owned by RCA at the time. It was actually founded by RCA in 1926, and was owned by them until GE bought up RCA in 1986. These days it's owned by Comcast.
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Old September 27 2013, 08:49 AM   #68
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Well, remember, they were still considering NOT using color and going Black and White for the series.
Do you have a source for that? It's news to me.

AFAIK, Star Trek was always planned to be in color. But, at a time when less than 10% of U.S. households had color TV, the show had to look acceptable in black-and-white as well (hence the change in Spock's makeup from a reddish hue to a yellowish skin tone).
It's not like sets for black and white shows were all painted gray, anyway. Cinematographers and set designers and costumers were aware of what things would look like in black and white (heck there's even a kind of special yellow glass sometimes used to reduce everything to monochrome which film people would use to gauge if anything needed adjusting for B&W).
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Old September 27 2013, 12:03 PM   #69
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^Indeed...the squad car in Car 54, Where Are You? was actually red and white, because red showed up better than black, for example....
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Old September 27 2013, 02:54 PM   #70
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And George Reeves's Superman costume in the black-and-white episodes was actually gray and brown instead of blue and red.

On the other hand, the Robot in Lost in Space was basically colored in grays and silvers in the first season, and had more color added in season 2 when the show went to color.
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And an army of continuity people to make sure constantly-changing images match from shot to shot.
Not if you had, say, a static star chart on one, some seismograph like zig-zag pattern on another--something general.
I think some general static shots is what they *do* have.
I honestly can't remember the last time I actually saw an image change on one of those upper monitors. When did they ever do that?

This is in TOS itself, by the way. IIRC, the Defiant bridge in "In a Mirror, Darkly" did have the images change. But they got away with that because it was only one scene and there were no continuity issues.
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Old September 27 2013, 07:30 PM   #72
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Re: The Cage bridge.

The only ones that come to mind are:

The four images from Where No Man Has Gone Before (thank you, Christopher):










...and the pages from Baruch Spinoza's book The Ethics (Part IV):



The Corbomite Maneuver:


Dagger of the Mind:


The Galileo Seven:


The Squire of Gothos:


Friday's Child:


And the Children Shall Lead:


I think a matte shot was planned for "Conscience of the King" where the bridge crew could watch the Karidian Players do Hamlet in the Ship's Theater.

This also doesn't include static shots of Dr. Roger Corby or John Gill.

(I hope I didn't miss any.)

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Not if you had, say, a static star chart on one, some seismograph like zig-zag pattern on another--something general.
I think some general static shots is what they *do* have.
I honestly can't remember the last time I actually saw an image change on one of those upper monitors. When did they ever do that?

This is in TOS itself, by the way. IIRC, the Defiant bridge in "In a Mirror, Darkly" did have the images change. But they got away with that because it was only one scene and there were no continuity issues.
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Old September 27 2013, 07:57 PM   #73
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^What about the displays of Dehner and Mitchell's files in the second pilot?
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Old September 27 2013, 08:13 PM   #74
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^What about the displays of Dehner and Mitchell's files in the second pilot?
Ah! Very good! Thank you. I missed those. I'll add them in.
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Old September 27 2013, 11:16 PM   #75
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Re: The Cage bridge.

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The only ones that come to mind are:

The four images from Where No Man Has Gone Before (thank you, Christopher):










...and the pages from Baruch Spinoza's book The Ethics (Part IV):



The Corbomite Maneuver:


Dagger of the Mind:


The Galileo Seven:


The Squire of Gothos:


Friday's Child:


And the Children Shall Lead:


I think a matte shot was planned for "Conscience of the King" where the bridge crew could watch the Karidian Players do Hamlet in the Ship's Theater.

This also doesn't include static shots of Dr. Roger Corby or John Gill.

(I hope I didn't miss any.)

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I think some general static shots is what they *do* have.
I honestly can't remember the last time I actually saw an image change on one of those upper monitors. When did they ever do that?

This is in TOS itself, by the way. IIRC, the Defiant bridge in "In a Mirror, Darkly" did have the images change. But they got away with that because it was only one scene and there were no continuity issues.
Just FYI - the "Friday's Child" shot you have is from the remastered version of the episode. In the original version of the episode, it was just a bright white light dot on a blue background - and the dot faded out as they were talking.
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