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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 24 2013, 08:45 PM   #16
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Re: Extent of V'Ger's journey

V'ger comes across as incredibly old and having travelled a portion of the universe similar to Destiny in SG:U.

Whatever Voyager 6 fell into, may not even have been a wormhole, but some strange multigalactic or universe spanning event Starfleet has barely any understanding of.
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Old September 25 2013, 01:12 AM   #17
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^But that wasn't the impression given by the Spock Walk sequence. It implied that what we were seeing was stuff that V'Ger had directly imaged and/or digitized.
Perhaps it is a lack of clarity on the part of the filmmakers but the really cool electric lite-brite planet Spock first passes over when discarding his thruster thingie was intended to be the machine planet where vger was repaired (this is made pretty clear in interviews with Trumbull and I think Greg Jein at or shortly after the film's release ... I even remember it was built by a guy named Joe Garlington.)

It's inclusion here would mean what, that vger digitized/zapped his re-builder before booking out to find his creator? I don't see that as terribly likely, which suggests this is as stated in the film, an imaging system displaying a record of its travels, which just happens to include stuff it zapped (unless it actually digitized 'whole galaxies' or even whole star systems, which seems like overkill.)
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Old September 25 2013, 11:57 AM   #18
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^Two words: warp drive.
^Two words: enormous universe.
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Old September 26 2013, 06:29 PM   #19
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With apologies for mentioning the possibility of the Borg connection (some people seem to dislike it much), when we met VGer it used to store data patterns ("assimilate"?) of the lifeforms and planets he encountered, possibly absorving their knowledge. That would really speed up the process (of learning everything).
Sounds like we need to start a "V'Ger vs. the Borg: who would win?" thread...
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Old September 26 2013, 07:23 PM   #20
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Sounds like we need to start a "V'Ger vs. the Borg: who would win?" thread...
Which is tantamount to a "The Borg vs. Hammurabi: who would win?" thread. Like I keep saying, V'Ger's technology is immensely beyond the Borg's.
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Old September 26 2013, 07:41 PM   #21
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^Agreed. People like making the Borg/V'Ger connection because of Spock's description and Shatner's novels linking the origins of the two. But there's really no comparison between them.

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Old September 27 2013, 12:36 AM   #22
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That's weird - until this very thread, I assumed EVERYBODY just accepted the V'ger/Borg connection as true!


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Old September 27 2013, 02:06 AM   #23
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^And that's why you don't assume. There's nothing similar about them.

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Old September 27 2013, 02:53 AM   #24
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That's weird - until this very thread, I assumed EVERYBODY just accepted the V'ger/Borg connection as true!


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If anybody at Paramount had taken it seriously, I'm guessing Persis Khambatta would have been playing the Borg Queen.
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Old September 27 2013, 02:58 AM   #25
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^Not only that, but there would have been some mention of it during TNG. Something that significant would have been spelled out on screen, not left for people to wonder about.

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Old September 27 2013, 03:40 AM   #26
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Gene Roddenberry half-jokingly suggested the Borg-V'Ger connection. Mr. Shatner just expanded upon it.
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Old September 27 2013, 04:01 AM   #27
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Gene Roddenberry half-jokingly suggested the Borg-V'Ger connection. Mr. Shatner just expanded upon it.
Rather, Mr. and Mrs. Reeves-Stevens expanded on it. They were the ones responsible for all the intricate Trek-continuity stuff in the novels. Shatner probably couldn't have cared less about the Borg.
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Old September 27 2013, 05:02 AM   #28
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Weird - maybe that's why I thought they were connected.

It's strange when you learn things that you just thought every one else always felt as well. Kinda like when I wandered into this thread a couple years back and learned that suddenly, apparently, we all hate TUC now.

I was like.......WEIRD!!!

I had always just known it was one of the most well received and respected of the TOS films.

I guess I was wrong and you all educated me.


*Goes back to ignorance in the shadows*
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Old September 29 2013, 01:28 AM   #29
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Although I find the possibility of a V'GER/Borg connection intriguing from a fictional point of view, it IS one damn large universe, so to my way of thinking, the actually probability of that occurring is pretty slim. I think that Christopher is right - V'GER's tech is far, far more advanced that the Borg's.
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Old October 5 2013, 09:04 PM   #30
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Agreed. I wish more was done with the Vegan Tyranny, and the group that set up the refurbishment station on Enterprise.
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