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Old September 25 2013, 01:09 AM   #31
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Re: What do you think Kirk is having to sign for all the time?

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Sorry, the misuse of the word "literally" is a pet peeve of mine... :-)
It's not a misuse; evidently it's a new use.

The Oxford English Dictonary, since September of 2011 has included this definition of literally:

"Used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true: I have received literally thousands of letters.'"
Then it's a new misuse.

But that's a topic for a Grammar Nazi thread.
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Old September 26 2013, 08:22 PM   #32
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It's not a misuse; evidently it's a new use.

The Oxford English Dictonary, since September of 2011 has included this definition of literally:

"Used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true: I have received literally thousands of letters.'"
That doesn't prove it's a correct use. It proves that even The Oxford English Dictionary is not always right.
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Old September 26 2013, 11:02 PM   #33
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Re: What do you think Kirk is having to sign for all the time?

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It's not a misuse; evidently it's a new use.

The Oxford English Dictonary, since September of 2011 has included this definition of literally:

"Used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true: I have received literally thousands of letters.'"
That doesn't prove it's a correct use. It proves that even The Oxford English Dictionary is not always right.
I think you misunderstand: the OED is descriptive, not prescriptive.
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Old September 26 2013, 11:26 PM   #34
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Re: What do you think Kirk is having to sign for all the time?

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Probably these two. One of the gags in M*A*S*H was Col. Blake signing all sorts of paperwork handed to him by Radar.
This is approximate from ememory, but one of my favorite bits on MASH:

RADAR (with large pile of forms): Sign here, and here, here, initial here, sign here...

BLAKE: Wait. why am I signing this one?

RADAR: To show that you initialed here instead of signing.

BLAKE: Radar, do you understand any of this?

RADAR: Oh, I try not to, Sir. It'd just slow things down.
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Old September 27 2013, 12:03 AM   #35
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I think you misunderstand: the OED is descriptive, not prescriptive.
Of course I understand that. The OED has always adjusted for changes in our language over time, as any dictionary should.

My point, though, is that just because the OED acknowledges the fact that people are now using the word "literally" in that way does not mean that it is now a correct usage. In fact, the fact that OED is descriptive, not prescriptive, makes that even more true. The editors of the OED are simply reflecting what people do; they are not making a judgment on whether it is correct or not.

My contention is that regardless of how many people use the word "literally" as a statement of emphasis rather than a statement of fact, they are still incorrect in that usage. If a million people suddenly decided that the word "red" now meant "blue" it would not make it so.
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Old September 27 2013, 05:36 AM   #36
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I had always presumed that, since he was usually signing while giving a log entry, he was sometimes signing off on the log so it could be officially sent to Starfleet. Other reasons would most likely be status reports from all departments, giving permission to perform requested acts from various departments (ie repairs, transfering officers from one department to the next, allowing weddings aboard ship, etc).
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Old September 30 2013, 08:03 AM   #37
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The latest results from his space herpes tests.
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Old September 30 2013, 12:03 PM   #38
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My contention is that regardless of how many people use the word "literally" as a statement of emphasis rather than a statement of fact, they are still incorrect in that usage. If a million people suddenly decided that the word "red" now meant "blue" it would not make it so.
If those million people constitute a clear majority of the language community in question and the change doesn't prove to be a fleeting fad, then, actually, yes it would. That's just how language works.

Why do you think people today talk about 'gay men' without intending to convey any sort of general happiness about the men in question? Or talk about broadcasting in sentences that have nothing whatsoever to do with seeds?

Obviously, people who are used to the older meaning often have trouble accepting a newer one which seems contradictory - and there's of course no reason why they should have to accept it at all. But when you insist on saying 'blue' to a million people who are very settled in the term 'red', it's mainly your own time you're wasting, because they all understand each other just fine.
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Old September 30 2013, 02:58 PM   #39
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Re: What do you think Kirk is having to sign for all the time?

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It's not a misuse; evidently it's a new use.

The Oxford English Dictonary, since September of 2011 has included this definition of literally:

"Used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true: I have received literally thousands of letters.'"
That doesn't prove it's a correct use. It proves that even The Oxford English Dictionary is not always right.
Lets rise up in protest at dictionaries giving in to yet another colloquialism. If literally now means well figuratively, does it also mean the old version of literally? Or is there a new word for that?
And while we're at it lets reinstate Pluto.
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Old October 2 2013, 07:25 PM   #40
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Re: What do you think Kirk is having to sign for all the time?

Definitely autographs
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Old October 3 2013, 07:53 PM   #41
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Re: What do you think Kirk is having to sign for all the time?

I always imagined that Kirk was mirroring what a lot of execs back in the 60s could identify with — signing off on a written transcription of his log entries done by one of the girls down in the "typist pool."

On a similar note, I'm greatly amused by the trope used to depict when Picard or other late era captains had a lot of "paperwork" to get through — a desk cluttered with multiple PADDs. It would be the equivalent of having a bunch of emails to read, and having each one open on a separate iPad.

Some things just don't hold up to our contemporary sensibilities.
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