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Old September 26 2013, 09:26 PM   #1
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Chakotay's Scorpion tale

CHAKOTAY: There's a story I heard as a child, a parable, and I never forgot it. A scorpion was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side Suddenly he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him on his back across the river. The fox said no, if I do that you'll sting me, and I'll drown. The scorpion assured him, if I did that, we'd both drown. So the fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back, and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him. As the poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said why did you do that? Now you'll drown too. I couldn't help it, said the scorpion. It's my nature.
Anyone heard that fable before watching it in "Scorpion" (the episode)? I have but it was a turtle instead of a fox.
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Old September 26 2013, 09:36 PM   #2
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

That's a classic story and actually was an old Native American parable, apparently.

Also it was used in the movie Skin Deep from 1989.
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Old September 26 2013, 09:46 PM   #3
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

It's also one of Aesop's fables, his had a scorpion and frog. The tale goes a ways back.
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Old September 26 2013, 09:48 PM   #4
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

I thought it was a frog too.
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Old September 26 2013, 10:12 PM   #5
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

I heard that one a long time ago but not in a manner suggesting it had been a Native American fable or involved a fox.

Apparently, it goes way back but probably did originate in the Middle East, as the turtle and the scorpion.

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Old September 26 2013, 10:46 PM   #6
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

Aesop's Fables or the Aesopica is a collection of fables credited to Aesop, a slave and story-teller believed to have lived in ancient Greece between 620 and 560 BCE
Was this supposed to be like Chekoff saying that Russia invented everything?
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Old September 27 2013, 12:03 AM   #7
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

Well, see, you take an old fable from the Mediterranean region, change the frog to a fox and that makes it Native American.

Well, at least on Voyager, it does.

The Scorpion & the Frog also featured in "The Crying Game."
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Old September 27 2013, 12:29 AM   #8
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Whenever characters start telling an aesop type fable to explain military strategy it's embarrassing. Unless they are talking to a 5 year old which they never are.
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Old September 27 2013, 02:41 AM   #9
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At least no gazelles were involved.
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Old September 27 2013, 03:14 AM   #10
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And that gazelle is now our personal Trek fable, lucky us.
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Old September 27 2013, 03:24 AM   #11
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The gazelle was Trip.

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Old September 27 2013, 03:36 AM   #12
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MIndtrip.
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Old September 27 2013, 04:53 AM   #13
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Re: Chakotay's Scorpion tale

xvicente wrote: View Post
CHAKOTAY: There's a story I heard as a child, a parable, and I never forgot it. A scorpion was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side Suddenly he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him on his back across the river. The fox said no, if I do that you'll sting me, and I'll drown. The scorpion assured him, if I did that, we'd both drown. So the fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back, and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him. As the poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said why did you do that? Now you'll drown too. I couldn't help it, said the scorpion. It's my nature.
Anyone heard that fable before watching it in "Scorpion" (the episode)? I have but it was a turtle instead of a fox.
There was an episode of Northern Exposure in which the character of Shelly relates the fable by singing it. The animals were a turtle and a snake.
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Old September 27 2013, 05:00 AM   #14
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Wouldn't a turtle's shell keep it safe from the scorpion on it's back anyways?
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Old September 27 2013, 05:22 AM   #15
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Hmmm?

Maybe the Scorpion was riding inside the shell?

Now no one's deluded and deranged enough to think that it was Seven who was The Scorpion right?

Janeway was.

She screwed over the Borg, and before they could fully express a tanty, she ended the Borg threat on her ship, as is her nature.
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