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View Poll Results: Rate Revelation and Dust.
Outstanding 29 25.89%
Above Average 45 40.18%
Average 25 22.32%
Below Average 7 6.25%
Poor 6 5.36%
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Old September 23 2013, 01:34 PM   #331
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

I finally finished the book myself. [And I'm finally caught up to current!]

I didn't think it was terrible, but I found it very similar to a lot of DRG's last couple of novels. Twilight is one of my favorite DS9 relaunch books, but almost everything since has been in a style that just doesn't mesh well with me. He seems to like to write a lot about characters standing and thinking, or reflecting on events, rather than actually showing the events unfolding and living in the moment. It ends up feeling like a series of meetings.

That said, I actually think Revelation and Dust had somewhat less of that than the previous three books. It did have movement in places. Overall I'd say it is a good start, but how good it is longterm will depend on the following books.

How the Keev storyline will tie in to the rest of the books makes me the most skeptical. Now that we have information about the rest of the novels in the series, I'm not really sure where they would feasibly conclude that arch in. And how it would tie into the greater plot going in with the federation.

She describes landing in a cargo bay. Whose? I think it's the Even Odds, and Taran'atar is one of their crew. They must have saved him at the last second somehow.
I really hope it is! I was curious if their super strange 'holodeck' room might tie into things. Or it could be that Kira has been booted into the past.
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Old September 23 2013, 02:08 PM   #332
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I finally finished the book myself. [And I'm finally caught up to current!]

I didn't think it was terrible, but I found it very similar to a lot of DRG's last couple of novels. Twilight is one of my favorite DS9 relaunch books, but almost everything since has been in a style that just doesn't mesh well with me. He seems to like to write a lot about characters standing and thinking, or reflecting on events, rather than actually showing the events unfolding and living in the moment. It ends up feeling like a series of meetings.

That said, I actually think Revelation and Dust had somewhat less of that than the previous three books. It did have movement in places. Overall I'd say it is a good start, but how good it is longterm will depend on the following books.

How the Keev storyline will tie in to the rest of the books makes me the most skeptical. Now that we have information about the rest of the novels in the series, I'm not really sure where they would feasibly conclude that arch in. And how it would tie into the greater plot going in with the federation.

She describes landing in a cargo bay. Whose? I think it's the Even Odds, and Taran'atar is one of their crew. They must have saved him at the last second somehow.
I really hope it is! I was curious if their super strange 'holodeck' room might tie into things. Or it could be that Kira has been booted into the past.
I presume the Kira story is for future Deep Spave Nine stories, rather than the Fall. So some other author will maybe take over that plot. Arguably the book felt like a new relaunch pilot or twilight, setting up the status quo heading forward; one just hopes the editors ensure future authors keep up their and drgIII's ideas going forward
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Old September 23 2013, 02:12 PM   #333
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Yeah, I also considered that as well. Which isn't a bad thing, as I'd love to see more of the DS9 relaunch! I'd still question featuring it so heavily though if it doesn't pay off in this series. But that's only a minor complaint.
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Old September 26 2013, 12:55 PM   #334
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This was a good setup for the series. Not quite as good as his last duology but not bad. I really liked getting to "see" the new station. And its always nice to finally get some more DS9.

I wasn't terribly surprised that they killed off Bacco - I thought she was going to die in the David Mack TNG series, really. Still sad though, I really liked her character.

First chapters are always hard to judge because there are lots of unresolved threads. The payoff is often much more satisfying.
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Old September 26 2013, 02:30 PM   #335
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DorkBoy [TM] wrote: View Post
This was a good setup for the series. Not quite as good as his last duology but not bad. I really liked getting to "see" the new station. And its always nice to finally get some more DS9.

I wasn't terribly surprised that they killed off Bacco - I thought she was going to die in the David Mack TNG series, really. Still sad though, I really liked her character.

First chapters are always hard to judge because there are lots of unresolved threads. The payoff is often much more satisfying.
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Old September 26 2013, 03:08 PM   #336
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DorkBoy [TM] wrote: View Post
This was a good setup for the series. Not quite as good as his last duology but not bad. I really liked getting to "see" the new station. And its always nice to finally get some more DS9.

I wasn't terribly surprised that they killed off Bacco - I thought she was going to die in the David Mack TNG series, really. Still sad though, I really liked her character.

First chapters are always hard to judge because there are lots of unresolved threads. The payoff is often much more satisfying.
Be careful. There's a disgruntled poster who's on the lookout for posts like yours. He might come after you.

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That was unnecessary. DorkBoy's post is fine and you know it. Comments like this again will be treated as trolling.
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Old September 26 2013, 08:27 PM   #337
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DorkBoy [TM] wrote: View Post
This was a good setup for the series. Not quite as good as his last duology but not bad. I really liked getting to "see" the new station. And its always nice to finally get some more DS9.
With the previous DS9 duology, the first book was blasted big time by a number of people as not being true to Sisko's character. Then the 2nd book came out and all was well again in the land of DS9. I'm seeing similar things going on here. Revelation and Dust did get blasted by a number of people and I'm hoping they eat their words by the time The Fall is complete (all the books released).
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Old September 26 2013, 09:56 PM   #338
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With the previous DS9 duology, the first book was blasted big time by a number of people as not being true to Sisko's character. Then the 2nd book came out and all was well again in the land of DS9. I'm seeing similar things going on here. Revelation and Dust did get blasted by a number of people and I'm hoping they eat their words by the time The Fall is complete (all the books released).
I don't think anyone has blasted this book for the characters being out of character. They blasted this book for it being incomplete. That will never change, no matter how many other books are published after it.
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Old September 27 2013, 12:02 AM   #339
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This was a good setup for the series. Not quite as good as his last duology but not bad. I really liked getting to "see" the new station. And its always nice to finally get some more DS9.
With the previous DS9 duology, the first book was blasted big time by a number of people as not being true to Sisko's character. Then the 2nd book came out and all was well again in the land of DS9. I'm seeing similar things going on here. Revelation and Dust did get blasted by a number of people and I'm hoping they eat their words by the time The Fall is complete (all the books released).
I'm sorry. But how I judge a book doesn't work like that, and I don't think it works for many others either. So far I've read both DRGIII's book, and Una's book. While some of the plot threads established in his book is a setup for hers, the fact that her book, IMO, is better written and a higher quality, doesn't change the fact that I think Revelation and Dust is a terrible read. And that won't change after reading all 5 of The Fall novels.

It's been explained, that while the books are under the umbrella title of "The Fall", the stories themselves are their own, separate story. DRGIII is a decent author. But even the greats can write a lemon every now and then.

Me personally, I blame the editor. And I'd bet real money that the editor on this book was a different one that did Typhon Pact: Raise The Dawn. I'm sorry, while it may not be a big deal in the overall story of the book, I find such a glaring mistake of Sisko being on one ship in the last book, and then having him on another totally different ship in the same exact, situation, is either blamed on the writer for writing it, or the editor for letting it go unnoticed in the editing process. That's a sign there was a lack of care in putting it together. And if you don't care about the small things you may not care about the big things either. Since the mistake was in the first couple of paragraphs of the prologue, I had a clue ahead of time that it was going to not to be to my liking, but still wanted to give it a shot.

If I was alone in my overall opinion of the book, that's one thing and I'm just an ass for making a big deal about it. But too many others feel as I do. This novel was a missed opportunity to be a great book.
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Old September 27 2013, 12:49 AM   #340
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I'm of the wait and see camp. I know we have the mistake with the ship and that never should have happened. I might go back and edit in the correct ship for the eBook.

But I'm waiting to see how Revelation and Dust is flushed out when all of the Fall is out. I know it kind of ended on a cliffhanger and that wasn't supposed to be given the description. But as we well know from the past, descriptions don't always coincide with the book all that well all of the time.
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Old September 30 2013, 01:59 PM   #341
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Another great book by David R George III. I understand that the Kira subplot is not to everyone's taste I found it interesting in that it answers the question of what happened to her at the end of Raise the Dawn and sets up what might happen should DRG be allowed to continue the story of DS9. The other big event in the book Which I will not spoil for others is the first time I think in Star Trek that something like this has suceeded. I look foward to reading the rest of the Fall series and also DRG III next book which is set in the lost era.
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Old September 30 2013, 03:47 PM   #342
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Finished yesterday.I enjoyed the book, just not a big fan of the Kira subplot. As a result I voted average. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
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Old October 4 2013, 02:27 AM   #343
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Does this get any better?

I usually love George's work but I'm about seventy pages in and am really struggling to even care what's going on and the pace of the book is brutally slow.
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Old October 4 2013, 02:50 AM   #344
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Does this get any better?

I usually love George's work but I'm about seventy pages in and am really struggling to even care what's going on and the pace of the book is brutally slow.
Nope.
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Old October 4 2013, 01:53 PM   #345
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Man, I have to strain hard to resist posting random YouTube videos from the "It gets better" campaign ...
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