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Old September 24 2013, 02:55 AM   #31
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Now, what if said alien race's first reaction is to "eliminate the infection" that has visited their planet and instantly destroy the ship and crew? And what if there isn't time to send a warning back to Starfleet, and they send another ship to see what happened?
If they take the time to find out what the name of the ship means, why wouldn't they be willing to talk beyond that? And if they're so high-strung about historical allusions to violence, you'd think they'd react first to the very idea of an armed starship.
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Old September 24 2013, 01:46 PM   #32
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Y'all are not very good at sticking to a plot.

"why would they do that, instead of this?" Squirm, modify, rationalize, if, but...
They wouldn't. I say: They do THAT, period. This is how they think, period. They're alien minds, they think differently than us. Why, Squirm, modify, rationalize, if, but, doesn't work with them.

They find out the ship is named after a battle. To their mind, we glory in war, we're a disease. They kill us. Period. It's done.

Hence, my earlier thought that it might not be a good idea to name ships after battles. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Old September 25 2013, 04:27 AM   #33
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^ Ya gotta name 'em somethin'. You could just as easily run into a martial culture that has the same kind of reaction to scientists or whatever.

ALIEN: Welcome to our system. I see your ship is well-armed; we respect that. Hmm... USS Gandhi. What is the origin of that name?

SF CAPTAIN: Gandhi was a renowned pacifist from our history who helped win independence for his nation through non-violent civil disobedience.

ALIEN: Pacifist? Pacifists are a scourge on the galaxy! Prepare to die!

So I'd say just name the ships after whatever you want to name them after, because you're not going to be able to control someone else's reaction to any given name.
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Old September 25 2013, 01:39 PM   #34
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^ Good point.
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Old September 25 2013, 02:08 PM   #35
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Hence, my earlier thought that it might not be a good idea to name ships after battles. That's all I'm sayin'.
While it was Roddenberry's intention to have a more international name with "Enterprise" I wouldn't be surprised if he also had similar thoughts that made him decide to drop "Yorktown".

While the names are admittedly Earth-centric most are derived from sailing ships. Since Vulcan doesn't have oceans for ships to sail on, it didn't have any ship names to suggest.

But how many times did the Enterprise or one of her sister ships actually conduct "first contact" in TOS?
Often there had been other ships before doing that like the Archon, the Horizon or the Valiant.

For all we know the starships with the militaristic names may have mostly been assigned for patrol duty but not deep-space exploration.

However I can't help myself to imagine this scene from an alternate scripted version of "The Omega Glory":

"I'm Captain Ronald Tracey of the USS Constitution, I've come in peace"
"Cursed Yang! He is using the blasphemous words of the Yangs, chop his head off, rightaway!!!"

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Old September 25 2013, 08:18 PM   #36
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Since Vulcan doesn't have oceans for ships to sail on, it didn't have any ship names to suggest.
Spock: "Fortunately, my ancestors spawned in another ocean than yours did."
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Old September 26 2013, 02:20 AM   #37
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USS Gandhi
Militant Feminist Alien: "You dare to named this ship of yours after a MAN?"

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But how many times did the Enterprise ... actually conduct "first contact" in TOS?
Twenty-six times.

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Old September 26 2013, 03:02 AM   #38
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Y'all are not very good at sticking to a plot.
Isn't that what we do around here, tear apart bad plots?

To quote Picard, "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for who we are." Letting some hypothetical high-strung alien race determine what you name your ships after is silly. If the Federation were that timid, they wouldn't be exploring space.
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Old September 26 2013, 09:18 AM   #39
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@ GSchnitzer

Yes, Spock's ancestors spawned in another ocean several or dozens of million years ago. Does this ocean still exist by the time of the UFP or has Vulcan become a desert planet (which appears to be the suggestion taking all the visual footage into account)?

@ T'Girl

My mistake, actually I had been wondering about real first contact scenarios on planets where the protagonists actually sit down with the natives and talk.

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Old September 26 2013, 01:43 PM   #40
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However I can't help myself to imagine this scene from an alternate scripted version of "The Omega Glory":

"I'm Captain Ronald Tracey of the USS Constitution, I've come in peace"
"Cursed Yang! He is using the blasphemous words of the Yangs, chop his head off, rightaway!!!"

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Old September 26 2013, 01:45 PM   #41
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Since Vulcan doesn't have oceans for ships to sail on, it didn't have any ship names to suggest.
Spock: "Fortunately, my ancestors spawned in another ocean than yours did."
Sure, they had an ocean THEN. But that was 250 million years ago!

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Y'all are not very good at sticking to a plot.
Isn't that what we do around here, tear apart bad plots?
Also a good point.
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Old September 27 2013, 09:00 AM   #42
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One of my high school teachers was fond of saying; "In a country where anyone can protest, someone alway will."

No matter what you name the ship, there going to be someone who won't like it.

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Old September 27 2013, 01:16 PM   #43
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One of my high school teachers was fond of saying; "In a country where anyone can protest, someone alway will."

No matter what you name the ship, there going to be someone who won't like it.

The aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford.
Oh. My. God.
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Old September 27 2013, 06:30 PM   #44
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The US Navy tend to name ships after politicians who were "friends of the Navy" (or at one time in it), if you benefitted the Navy on budget votes your were a friend.

Ford help the Navy, and really all the armed service, while in congress and as president.

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