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Old September 24 2013, 08:54 PM   #16
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Re: Equinox

Sisko didn't commit murder. He gassed the planet, but IIRC there's no mention that the gas would be lethal, and the Maquis were able to leave the planet in any case.

Honestly, sometimes it seems like people deliberately distort the events of the episode just to serve their argument.
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Old September 24 2013, 08:58 PM   #17
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Unless you're talking about the animals and plants, or "starting" the Dominion War, no he didn't... But those are shitty frontier worlds which no one wants which is why civilians were allowed to farm on them like it's still the 18th century... And Sisko felt at ease poisoning the biosphere, even those its a slap in the face of the conservation laws we figured out from TNG Home Soil, but then that's where we learnt that the Federation only colonizes inert dead worlds incapable of ever supporting life, so what ever "life" was on that planet after terraformization, if you go back 80 years was put into a box in a factory on Earth and shipped there in a Star Ship.

Ben gave fair warning. Sure it seemed like minutes, but any Maquis that didn't have access to a ship and retained the ability to bug out at a moments notice was already a dead man during those Brutal times when death from the sky was an all but daily certainty.
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Old September 24 2013, 09:58 PM   #18
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Re: Equinox

DonIago wrote: View Post
Sisko didn't commit murder. He gassed the planet, but IIRC there's no mention that the gas would be lethal, and the Maquis were able to leave the planet in any case.

Honestly, sometimes it seems like people deliberately distort the events of the episode just to serve their argument.
It is most definitely mentioned that the gas is lethal to the inhabitants.
And the maquis had little realistic chance to leave the planet.

The one distorting events is you.
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Old September 24 2013, 10:31 PM   #19
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Re: Equinox

Mmm...nice try, but it's specifically mentioned that the Cardassians and Maquis will be trading planets later in the episode and there's no mention of significant casualties.
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Old September 24 2013, 10:33 PM   #20
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Captain's log, supplemental. Resettlement efforts in the DMZ are underway. The Cardassian and Maquis colonists who were forced to abandon their homes will make new lives for themselves on the planets their counterparts evacuated. The balance in the region will be restored, though the situation remains far from stable.
Define lethal.

Considering Cardassians can still live on that planet consequence free, a build up could take months of years to approach lethal levels.

Cigarettes are lethal.

Alcohol is lethal.

Meth is lethal.

Yet there's no real hurry to stop some charming way of life before any one who dabble in these hobbies' body starts packing up.

It's like that old joke...

"Son if you don't stop masturbating, you'll go blind!"

"Mum, can I keep doing it until I need glasses?"
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Old September 25 2013, 12:50 AM   #21
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Mmm...nice try, but it's specifically mentioned that the Cardassians and Maquis will be trading planets later in the episode and there's no mention of significant casualties.
Because a fringe group like the Maquis has enough resources to provide a ship for every single person to evacuate a planet on an hour's notice.

Terrorist groups are tricky like that. Why do you think it's taken so long for the US to beat Al-Qaida? They all have personal jets fueled and ready to go every time a seal team or drone enter the area.
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Old September 25 2013, 05:53 AM   #22
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Re: Equinox

It's hard for me to give much credence to an argument based in sarcasm.
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Old September 25 2013, 12:31 PM   #23
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I'm pretty sure the writers' intent was that the colonists were forced to leave, not killed. Even if its hard to make sense of how that happened, depending on colony size and resources.
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Old September 25 2013, 01:18 PM   #24
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Sisko didn't commit murder. He gassed the planet, but IIRC there's no mention that the gas would be lethal, and the Maquis were able to leave the planet in any case.

Honestly, sometimes it seems like people deliberately distort the events of the episode just to serve their argument.
yeah, they said the trilithium resin he used would make the atmosphere unbreathable for humans. I'm pretty sure that means anyone there would die
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Old September 25 2013, 03:49 PM   #25
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"Would die" could mean instantaneously or over a matter of weeks/months/years...
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Old September 25 2013, 04:03 PM   #26
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"Would die" could mean instantaneously or over a matter of weeks/months/years...
If it was something that would take place over a long period of time I dont think it would have been such a big deal that he did it
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Old September 25 2013, 04:09 PM   #27
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There wasn't a big deal about anything other than that he was rendering the planet uninhabitable to humans. No indication that anyone died, no repercussions for Sisko, no later mention of the incident...
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If Q would have come in at the near end of this episode and blasted the Equinox back to Federation Space while leaving Voyager there because they were a stronger crew who could handle it, that would have been interesting.
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Also add in some Janeway and Chakotay make-up sex... yes...
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Old September 25 2013, 05:19 PM   #30
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There wasn't a big deal about anything other than that he was rendering the planet uninhabitable to humans. No indication that anyone died, no repercussions for Sisko, no later mention of the incident...
Which might make sense except for the line right away they were scrambling transport ships to evacuate right after Sisko fired.

If there wasn't a time crunch they wouldn't have launched instantly and made sure they had everyone and heck, given everyone a chance to pack up and what not.
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